<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Peter,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> no
way I can agree with you on this.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The document is complete as it captures
what is available today.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">As you can see at </font><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32</font></a><font size=2 face="sans-serif">
for the Description of Document: " This
Magenta Book defines normative, controlling guidance for the implementation
of Variable Code and Modulation (VCM) systems using coding and modulation
schemes standardized in CCSDS." and therefore the contents match the
target.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You simply penalise the complete WG
because an Agency is late (surely for good reasons) in contributing to
other books.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">And remember that the poll was for agency
review and not for publication, so that agency would have had the opportunity
for advancing the work e.d. at this fall meeting (even if they did not
succeed from the project approval in March 2014)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Gippo</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Shames, Peter
M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"
<Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>,
"Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)" <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
"Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int" <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>,
"Bernard L. Edwards" <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, "CCSDS
CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/09/2017 23:57</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [CESG] CESG
polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Gippo,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Putting forward documents that are clearly
incomplete, and even say so, is a waste of all of our time. If you
wish to believe that I am "the bad guy" and reject this, that's
fine. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">But please, all of you who had a roll in
sending this forward in an incomplete state are really the ones who bear
the responsibility for this problem, not me.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Regards, Peter</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"
<Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, Bernie Edwards
<Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group -
CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Not at all. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Putting conditions that cannot be accomplished
means rejecting the poll. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Gian Paolo<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
On 5. Sep 2017, at 23:29, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</font><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Gippo, et al,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Just to be entirely clear. My condition
was to ask that the document meet the terms and maturity status required
of all documents to be sent out for agency review. I did not "REJECT"
it, I asked that it be completed, as required.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Dear Massimo,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Since the document itself says "</font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><b><i>For
systems compliant with CCSDS 131.0-B-2 further work is needed</i></b></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">.
" I think it is clear that the WG understands that the document is
not yet complete. I think it wisest to use the available time and
effort to remedy that, and when it is complete, and at an adequate level
of maturity, it should then be proposed again for agency review.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Best regards, Peter</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">It is up to the WG to meet the usual maturity
conditions such that the document does not include statements like that.
I think the correct characterization is that the WG chose to WITHDRAW
the document because it is not mature, and they could not remedy that in
time, and not that it was rejected. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Best regards, Peter</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>CESG <</font><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>
on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <</font><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Nestor Peccia <</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</font><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">"
<</font><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Kenneth Andrews <</font><a href=mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <</font><a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Bernie Edwards <</font><a href=mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Nestor,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
For the SLS VCM Protocol RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif">it has been clarified that the SEA
Condition was actually a REJECT.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
SLS disagreement was expressed in mail dated </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">08/08/2017
14:30</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
For SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif">the WG is working on replies to the
conditions.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Regards</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Gian Paolo</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
PS The relevant WG chairs are copied here for information with the request
to not do reply to all.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
From: </font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CESG
-- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">\)
\(</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">\)"
<</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/09/2017
11:12</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[CESG]
CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Sent by: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CESG"
<</font><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Dear all,</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
There are 6 CESG closed polls with "not yet solved" conditions.
The 6 polls are on documents to be issued for Agency Review.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
i.e.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
1. SLS VCM Protocol RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
2. SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
3. CSS Guidelines for spec of CSTS RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
4. MOIMS MO MAL Binding to ZMTP transport</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
5. MOIMS MO Data Product bDistribution RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
6. MOIMS MO Common Services RB</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
It means that we have missed the opportunity to discuss the potential RIDs
at the F17 meeting in Netherlands.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
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