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<p class="MsoNormal">Gippo,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rules is rules. To quote from CCSDS Organization and Processes, Sec B1.2, pg b-2-3:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>B1.2 RECOMMENDED STANDARD BRANCH
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Documents on the Recommended Standard branch of the Normative Track are as follows: a) CCSDS Proposed Draft Recommended Standard (White Book)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span style="color:red">A Proposed Draft Recommended Standard should have no known technical omissions with respect to the requirements placed upon it.</span></i></b> However, this requirement may be waived
by the CESG to allow a specification to advance to the Proposed Draft Recommended Standard state when it is considered to be useful and necessary (and timely) even with known technical omissions.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The document itself says that it is incomplete. And there can be no great urgency in publishing it as is, or without the inclusion of a VCM approach that works for all CCSDS codes and modulations, because the SCCC and DVB, with their different,
existing, closed, approaches, are already published.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am really puzzled by some of your statements. This is not about penalizing someone, or some group; nor about one agency vs another. This is about the quality of CCSDS documents and our roles, as WG chairs and Area Directors in ensuring
the quality of those documents. It is a poor enough situation that this incomplete document has taken up this much CESG time. I would in no way support also wasting agency time in reviewing a document that is stated to be incomplete. That violates our principles
and is a waste of resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:58 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Bernie Edwards <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Peter,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"> no way I can agree with you on this.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">The document is complete as it captures what is available today.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">As you can see at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">
for the Description of Document: " This Magenta Book defines normative, controlling guidance for the implementation of Variable Code and Modulation (VCM) systems using coding and modulation schemes standardized in CCSDS." and therefore the contents
match the target.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">You simply penalise the complete WG because an Agency is late (surely for good reasons) in contributing to other books.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">And remember that the poll was for agency review and not for publication, so that agency would have had the opportunity for advancing the work e.d. at this fall meeting (even if they did not succeed
from the project approval in March 2014)</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Regards</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Gippo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"Nestor.Peccia@esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>,
"Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)" <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int" <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, "Bernard L. Edwards" <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, "CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>,
"Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov></span> <br>
<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">05/09/2017 23:57</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gippo,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Putting forward documents that are clearly incomplete, and even say so, is a waste of all of our time. If you wish to believe that I am "the bad guy" and reject this, that's fine. </span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">But please, all of you who had a roll in sending this forward in an incomplete state are really the ones who bear the responsibility for this problem, not me.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>, Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, Bernie Edwards <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Not at all. </span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Putting conditions that cannot be accomplished means rejecting the poll.
</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gian Paolo<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
On 5. Sep 2017, at 23:29, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> wrote:</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gippo, et al,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Just to be entirely clear. My condition was to ask that the document meet the terms and maturity status required of all documents to be sent out for agency review. I did not "REJECT" it, I asked that it be completed, as required.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Dear Massimo,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Since the document itself says "<b><i><span style="color:red">For systems compliant with CCSDS 131.0-B-2 further work is needed</span></i></b>. " I think it is clear that the WG understands that the document is not yet complete.
I think it wisest to use the available time and effort to remedy that, and when it is complete, and at an adequate level of maturity, it should then be proposed again for agency review.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">It is up to the WG to meet the usual maturity conditions such that the document does not include statements like that. I think the correct characterization is that the WG chose to WITHDRAW the document because it is not mature,
and they could not remedy that in time, and not that it was rejected. </span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">CESG <</span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">> on behalf
of Gian Paolo Calzolari <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Nestor Peccia <</span><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">" <</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
Kenneth Andrews <</span><a href="mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, Klaus-Juergen Schulz <</span><a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
Bernie Edwards <</span><a href="mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Nestor,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
For the SLS VCM Protocol RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">it has been clarified that the SEA Condition was actually a REJECT.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
SLS disagreement was expressed in mail dated </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">08/08/2017 14:30</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
For SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">the WG is working on replies to the conditions.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
Regards</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
Gian Paolo</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <br>
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PS The relevant WG chairs are copied here for information with the request to not do reply to all.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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From: </span><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">\)
\(</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">\)" <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">05/09/2017 11:12</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">[CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG" <</span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
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There are 6 CESG closed polls with "not yet solved" conditions. The 6 polls are on documents to be issued for Agency Review.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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i.e.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
1. SLS VCM Protocol RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
2. SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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3. CSS Guidelines for spec of CSTS RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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4. MOIMS MO MAL Binding to ZMTP transport</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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5. MOIMS MO Data Product bDistribution RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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6. MOIMS MO Common Services RB</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span>
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It means that we have missed the opportunity to discuss the potential RIDs at the F17 meeting in Netherlands.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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ciao</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
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