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<p class="MsoNormal">Ciao Massimo and Enrico,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since the other "approaches", namely SCCC and DVB are already published, and include documented VCM features, publishing another document that just points at those two corner cases does not appear to add much value.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As I understood it the whole point of this document was to publish a clearly documented VCM approach that would work across all of the CCSDS coding and modulation standards. This would be derivative from the other two (somewhat different)
"approaches", but would be of value largely because it provided some integrated set of VCM features for the other CCSDS codes and modulations that were not otherwise served by the closed SCCC and DVB approaches.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I really do not see much value in publishing a book that does not clearly document how this is to be done. Given the SCCC and DVB examples I doubt that this is a huge amount of work, and I do think it of potential value to the rest of
the CCSDS community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought that was the approach that was agreed to, but do understand that there may be a delay in publishing the document while that needed work gets done. I think that a much better outcome than just publishing a book that points to
DVB and SCCC as the only ways to accomplish this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 12:12 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Bernie Edwards <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Thank you Enrico,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">I think your summary captures very well the current situation. </span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Best regards,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Massimo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA@ESA, Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA@ESA, Massimo Bertinelli/estec/ESA@ESA, "Andrews,
Kenneth S (332B)" <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>, Klaus-Juergen Schulz/esoc/ESA@ESA, "Bernard L. Edwards" <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, "CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">09/06/2017 03:33 AM</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Let me intervene in this discussion as a concerned party. The book deals with 3 systems, two of which are well specified and one (the NASA option) just needs some extra work by NASA at least since both ESA and CNES will use their
own system and have no resources to study another option. The two groups involved (C&S had the lead over RFM) thought it would be good to publish the book so as to get VCM available for these two systems at least. Another option would be to remove the NASA
system now, publish the book with 2 systems, and when the NASA system is ready update the book.</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Let me know if this would work for you.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">I hope I have covered correctly the views of the C&S WG.<br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Enrico's phone</span> <br>
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On Sep 5, 2017, at 23:57, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">> wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gippo,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Putting forward documents that are clearly incomplete, and even say so, is a waste of all of our time. If you wish to believe that I am "the bad guy" and reject this, that's fine. </span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">But please, all of you who had a roll in sending this forward in an incomplete state are really the ones who bear the responsibility for this problem, not me.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Cc: </b>Nestor Peccia <</span><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, Kenneth Andrews <</span><a href="mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <</span><a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, Bernie Edwards <</span><a href="mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, Dennis K Lee <</span><a href="mailto:dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Not at all. </span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Putting conditions that cannot be accomplished means rejecting the poll.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gian Paolo<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
On 5. Sep 2017, at 23:29, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> wrote:</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Gippo, et al,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Just to be entirely clear. My condition was to ask that the document meet the terms and maturity status required of all documents to be sent out for agency review. I did not "REJECT" it, I asked that it be completed, as required.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Dear Massimo,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Since the document itself says "<b><i><span style="color:red">For systems compliant with CCSDS 131.0-B-2 further work is needed</span></i></b>. " I think it is clear that the WG understands that the document is not yet complete.
I think it wisest to use the available time and effort to remedy that, and when it is complete, and at an adequate level of maturity, it should then be proposed again for agency review.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">It is up to the WG to meet the usual maturity conditions such that the document does not include statements like that. I think the correct characterization is that the WG chose to WITHDRAW the document because it is not mature,
and they could not remedy that in time, and not that it was rejected. </span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best regards, Peter</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span> <br>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">CESG <</span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">> on behalf
of Gian Paolo Calzolari <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Nestor Peccia <</span><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">" <</span><a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
Kenneth Andrews <</span><a href="mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, Klaus-Juergen Schulz <</span><a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
Bernie Edwards <</span><a href="mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Nestor,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
For the SLS VCM Protocol RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">it has been clarified that the SEA Condition was actually a REJECT.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
SLS disagreement was expressed in mail dated </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">08/08/2017 14:30</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
For SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">the WG is working on replies to the conditions.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Regards</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <br>
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Gian Paolo</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <br>
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PS The relevant WG chairs are copied here for information with the request to not do reply to all.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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From: </span><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">\)
\(</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">\)" <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">05/09/2017 11:12</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">[CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG" <</span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
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There are 6 CESG closed polls with "not yet solved" conditions. The 6 polls are on documents to be issued for Agency Review.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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i.e.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
1. SLS VCM Protocol RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif"><br>
2. SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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3. CSS Guidelines for spec of CSTS RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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4. MOIMS MO MAL Binding to ZMTP transport</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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5. MOIMS MO Data Product bDistribution RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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6. MOIMS MO Common Services RB</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span>
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