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<p class="MsoNormal">Gippo,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Putting forward documents that are clearly incomplete, and even say so, is a waste of all of our time. If you wish to believe that I am "the bad guy" and reject this, that's fine.
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<p class="MsoNormal">But please, all of you who had a roll in sending this forward in an incomplete state are really the ones who bear the responsibility for this problem, not me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>, Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, Bernie Edwards <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Not at all. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Putting conditions that cannot be accomplished means rejecting the poll. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Gian Paolo<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 5. Sep 2017, at 23:29, Shames, Peter M (312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Gippo, et al,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Just to be entirely clear. My condition was to ask that the document meet the terms and maturity status required of all documents to be sent out for agency review. I did not "REJECT" it, I asked that it be completed,
as required.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Dear Massimo,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Since the document itself says "<b><i><span style="color:red">For systems compliant with CCSDS 131.0-B-2 further work is needed</span></i></b>. " I think it is clear that the WG understands that the document is
not yet complete. I think it wisest to use the available time and effort to remedy that, and when it is complete, and at an adequate level of maturity, it should then be proposed again for agency review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">It is up to the WG to meet the usual maturity conditions such that the document does not include statements like that. I think the correct characterization is that the WG chose to WITHDRAW the document because
it is not mature, and they could not remedy that in time, and not that it was rejected. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Nestor Peccia <<a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int">Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</a>>, Kenneth Andrews <<a href="mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov">kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>, Bernie Edwards <<a href="mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov">Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</a>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Nestor,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> For the SLS VCM Protocol RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">it has been clarified that the SEA Condition was actually a REJECT.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">SLS disagreement was expressed in mail dated
</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">08/08/2017 14:30</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">For SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">the WG is working on replies to the conditions.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Regards</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">PS The relevant WG chairs are copied here for information with the request to not do reply to all.</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>\)
\(<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>\)" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">05/09/2017 11:12</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">[CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"CESG" <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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There are 6 CESG closed polls with "not yet solved" conditions. The 6 polls are on documents to be issued for Agency Review.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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i.e.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">4. MOIMS MO MAL Binding to ZMTP transport</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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It means that we have missed the opportunity to discuss the potential RIDs at the F17 meeting in Netherlands.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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ciao</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
nestor</span> <br>
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