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<p class="MsoNormal">Ciao Mario,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am somewhat puzzled by your statement, even if you are just making it with your "MOIMS AD Hat" on. I am just wondering why you reject this out of hand as "nothing to do with MOIMS"? Does this look the same this with your "CESG member
Hat" on? While the OB does talk about combining data from diverse channels, and also the signal propagation properties, it is also, quite clearly, addressing the sort of ground data processing that would appear to be right in the usual mission operations
"territory". To quote from the intro to their OB (<b><i>emphasis added</i></b>):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The data receiving stations may include the relative software-hardware facilities of measuring stations located on territories of several states, with a common receiving station appointed MCC.
<b><i>The correlated data of improved reliability generated at this MCC</i></b> may be transferred to MCCs of other Space Agencies.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect that this could be proposed as an "MO Service" if there was sufficient interest. Please note that I am not necessarily endorsing their request for BB status. From a technical point of view my coding guys, in an earlier analysis,
provided the following feedback. I doubt that the intervening three years have changed their opinion, but I did ask them for an update:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">As I've said before, the authors have undoubtedly worked very hard, but unfortunately have not discovered anything new. They have developed sub-optimal techniques for problems in which the optimal techniques are
already known. Their new CCSDS document remains hard to read, both because of issues in translation, and because the authors are not familiar with the standard signal processing framework in which these problems lie. In summary, my opinion remains the same
as it did with previous versions of this work: the document does not provide any technical results of value, and comprehensibility is extremely low, so we should not be spending time on it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that the various WG chairs and other experts who are copied on this will weigh in with an informed technical opinion on the details of what is being proposed. This is not my field of expertise so I request, and rely on, their technical
feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Mario Merri <Mario.Merri@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 9:35 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
"Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation»<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The only thing that I understand well is that it has nothing to do with the MOIMS.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">__Mario</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(cesg@mailman.ccsds.org\) \(cesg@mailman.ccsds.org\)" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int, kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">21/08/2017 12:19</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">[CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation»</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif",serif">Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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During the last Technical meeting at San Antonio I had a short discussion with Prof Vorontsov, who wanted to present the next steps he would like to do within CCSDS after the issue of Roscosmos OB (Correlated Data Generation).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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As there was no russian translator and the ESA staff participated via webex, I did ask him to produce a TN in english explaining his intentions.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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You will find the TN attached below. It is only 3.5 pages.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I have also included the RFM and C&S WG Chairs because the TN addresses some of their ToRs.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Please let me have your views by 25th September 2017 cob</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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ciaonestor</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
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