<font size=2 face="sans-serif">So the condition is</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">IF </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><i>substantive
changes AND no technical comment</i></b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">THEN Agency
Review</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">ELSE No
further Agency Review</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">In the ELSE I see also the possibility
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><i>substantive
changes AND technical comment ===> no further Agency review</i></b></font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Enjoy and smile :o)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Gippo</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Shames, Peter
M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Mario Merri"
<Mario.Merri@esa.int></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">15/05/2017 19:30</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[CESG] Use of
"Substantive changes"</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Hi Mario,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">You just mentioned that you thought the
word "substantive" did not appear in the CCSDS YB. But
it does, in sec 6.2.5.2 (emphasis <b><i>added</i></b>):</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>6.2.5 FORMAL AGENCY REVIEW </b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">6.2.5.2 Once review of a document has been
authorized, that document may be reviewed more than once without additional
polling of the CMC: </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">. c)
<b><i>if substantive changes are made</i></b> to a document that
has completed review without technical comment, the Secretariat shall conduct
a final review in which Agencies can approve or reject the document but
may not suggest additional changes; </font><font size=2 face="MS Mincho">
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">As with most words in the English language
that are used in our documents, but not specifically defined, we depend
on common usage in English to define meanings. In this case we can
refer to one or more dictionary definitions for this "common usage".
Try these:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u>Google primary definition</u></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">sub·stan·tive</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i>adjective</i></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">adjective: <b>substantive</b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">1. having a firm basis
in reality and therefore important, meaningful, or considerable.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">"there is no substantive evidence
for the efficacy of these drugs"</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u>Oxford dictionary definition</u></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>substantive</b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>adjective</b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Symbol">· </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Having
a firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful, or considerable.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i>‘there is no substantive evidence for
the efficacy of these drugs’</i></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">There are also a few uses of "substantive
change", but these tend to be organization / topic specific. A
couple that are relevant are these:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i>When you talk about substantive change,
you mean change that really makes a difference.</i></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i> </i></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i>Substantive change</i> is a significant
modification or expansion in the nature and scope of an accredited institution</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">So this specific definition mentions "accredited
organization", for us it could say "draft document", and
that would have appropriate meaning in our context. I think that
these meanings are clear. I hope you do as well.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Regards, Peter</font>
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