<font size=2 face="Arial">Dear all,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">I generally agree to the amended text proposed
by Peter, but I have two open points:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">1) How one becomes a WG member? Do they have
to be nominated by member agencies? Can observer/liaisons agencies have
WG members? What is the process for nomination?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">2) Also, who decides who gets included in
the WG-info distribution list? Based on what? I think here the CCSDS can
should be fully open. My proposal is that anyone who requests it to the
WG chair becomes member of the WG-info distribution list.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">I have read again the YB and I do not think
the points above are clear.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Coming to the specific case that triggered
the discussion, can the Iranian guy:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">- be WG member?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">- be in the WG-info distribution list?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Regards,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">__Mario</font>
<br>
<br>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec\(cesg" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">06/02/2017 10:47</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[CESG] Corrigendum:
CESG 2017 webex # 1: Agenda</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Sorry, text was added in the wrong place.
Please disregard my last mail</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Please see text added in blue, including a suggested modification (by Tom,
Brian and Dave) to Peter's 2nd paragraph text in red) <br>
ciao</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
nestor</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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Dear all,</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Please find below an updated Agenda</font><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. CESG
Actions still open </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2. Docuemnt
Status Queue</font><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">3. Polls
with conditions not yet resolved</font><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">4. OMG
Liaison: RFI on Vocabularies, Glossaries, Ontologies ?</font><font size=3>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">5. Web
info on recently completed reviews (including the issue of what will be
stored and sent to the WG and who can get access to these inputs and when)</font><font size=3>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">6. New
proposed DAI WG project including parallel ISO reviews: Is this a pro or
a con ?</font><font size=3> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">7. Approval
of recommended text (see below) to amend the Procedures Yellow Book - to
provide criteria for joining the working group mailing lists. (regarding
external requests for individuals with no sponsoring agency.) </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">8. AOB</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
ciao</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
nestor</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
=================================</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
As noted in my email of 25 Oct to the CESG, copied below, the current version
of the CCSDS Org & Proc Doc (CCSDS a02x1y4c2) already does a rather
complete job of identifying the rules for participation in working groups
and other working parts of CCSDS organizations. And the request for
CWE login on the web site is also quite clear that some sort of review
and approval, at least by AD or WG chair is required. This does not
explicitly include mention of Agency Sponsorship, and it probably should
since sec 5.2.6.4 requires it (see below). <br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Aside from fixing the website, I think that all we need to do in order
to tidy up this issue is to propose a couple of minor clarifying changes
to a02x1y4c2, as follows:</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u><br>
Pg 5-2, Sec 5.1.5.4</u></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
From:</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists </b><br>
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated
announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units,
including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to
list archives. <br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS
e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed
via e-mail to CCSDS <br>
organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans
all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that
contain viruses. <br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
To:</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists </b><br>
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated
announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units,
including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to
list archives. <br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS
e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed
via e-mail to CCSDS <br>
organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans
all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that
contain viruses. <br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><br>
Access to the working email lists shall be limited to individuals who are
members of the CCSDS Working Groups or CCSDS leadership and who are approved
participants in a Working Group (see 5.2.6.4 Participation). Working
Groups may, at their discretion, request creation of "WG-info"
mailing lists for outreach that is broadly open to the public, but these
shall not be used for normal Working Group operation.</font><font size=3>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u><br>
And on pg 5-9, sec 5.2.6.4</u></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
From:</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
5.2.6.4 Participation </b><br>
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however,
occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working
group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison
or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these
criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member
or observer agency. <b><br>
</b></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
To:</b></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
5.2.6.4 Participation </b><br>
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however,
occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working
group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison
or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these
criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member
or observer agency. <b><br>
</b></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><br>
Working Group participants should access the CCSDS online Collaborative
Work Environment (CWE) on the web site (</font><a href=http://www.ccsds.org)/><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><u>http://www.ccsds.org)</u></font></a><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri">
to request a login credential. This will be used to access CWE private
working group areas and also to register for working meeting attendance.
CWE credentials must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.</font><font size=3>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
</b></font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><br>
Tom, Brian and Dave discussed some portions of the text and agreed to change
it slightly as follows: </font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><b><br>
“Working Group participants should register with the CCSDS online Collaborative
Work Environment (CWE) via the "Request Login" link (</b></font><a href=http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><b><u>http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx</u></b></font></a><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><b>).
Approved registration enables access to CWE private working group
areas and is required for working group meeting attendance. CWE registrants
must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.” </b></font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><br>
Not a significant change, but as Tom noted, this language intentionally
uses “Register” and “Approved registration” to maintain consistency
with the text of the procedures manual.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
This is obviously open for discussion and we need to also review with and
get approval from the CESG and the CMC.</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Regards, Peter</font>
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