<font face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Peter,<br> IMO it is very important to be able to retrieve red/pink books with the review dates, etc.<br><br>For the RIDs I do not want to keep them secret but I think their most appropriate place is the CWE Area of the related WG (most of the times publicly accessible).<br>If we want to show them on the completed review page we should do this in the most complete manner possible.<br>The possibility of doing this should be checked with Secretariat / Tech. Support (and may be WG Chairs) mainly to see if the related effort is worth.<br>If feasible, showing all RIDs in the completed reviews page is welcome.<br><br>Regards<br><br>Gippo<br><br>PS I hope you were able to escape the cold! Anyhow take care and remember that a cold disappears in seven days if you do not cure it and it disappears in a week if you cure it :o)<br><br><font color="#990099">-----"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote: -----</font><div class="iNotesHistory" style="padding-left:5px;"><div style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;border-left:solid black 2px;">To: "<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" target="_blank">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" target="_blank">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>><br>From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>Date: 01/20/2017 09:22PM<br>Cc: "CCSDS CESG --" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [CESG] Is it correct what we show on the web for Recently Completed Reviews?<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If the point was that you want the reviewed document, and all RIDs, submitted either on RID forms or in some other format, available on the website I am in complete agreement. Perhaps
I misunderstood what you were suggesting.<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">You have a good weekend too. I am home tending a cold.<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards, Peter<p></p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Gian Paolo Calzolari <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" target="_blank">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, January 20, 2017 at 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] Is it correct what we show on the web for Recently Completed Reviews?<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The main point is that I find a real problem that you cannot retrieve a red/pink book and the call for review. <p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">For the RIDs one problem is that we only display NASA RIDs. This is a partial view and as such misleading. <p></p></p>
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RIDs are discussed on WGs so I would find preferable to refer to WG activity. <p></p></p>
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On 20 Jan 2017, at 19:54, Shames, Peter M (312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I find it rather weird that we are having this discussion at all. CCSDS is an open organization. The reviews that we hold ask members of our agencies, and of
observer agencies and associate organizations, to review our documents and provide feedback. This is all an open and public process. The people who participate in it, for the most part, are professional and courteous and are also respectful of the process
and each other. We do not see the sorts of "flame wars" or derogatory discussions that are all too prevalent on social media.</span><p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Given that this whole process is open, and that the only "semi closed" part is the technical discussions that take place when we, within a working group, try to
figure out how to disposition the RIDs. At the end of that process the results of the disposition are again made public. That is a
<b><i>required</i></b> part of the process. </span><p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">What purpose will be served by hiding any of this? If people do not want to have their private opinions, as expressed in RIDs, made visible they can choose to
word them in a way that will bear public scrutiny.</span><p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If there are doubts about how we have agreed to operate I suggest that you review the CSDS ORGANIZATION AND PROCESSES document, A02.1-Y-4. A simple search for
"RID" and "disposition" will pull up the relevant sections.</span><p></p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks, Peter</span><p></p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 6:32 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CESG] Is it correct what we show on the web for Recently Completed Reviews?</span><p></p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica"> at </span><a href="https://public.ccsds.org/review/default.aspx"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">https://public.ccsds.org/review/default.aspx</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">
we list the CCSDS Review ongoing or completed.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">AFter the recent web site updates, for the completed review we only show the RIDs (BTW, only those submitted by NASA via the web interface).</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Conversely it is impossible to access the old call for review including the related Red or Pink Book.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Is this correct?</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">My opinion is that - <b>on the public page</b> - we should rather show what we asked (most important the red/pink books).</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">Conversely the RIDs should be treated as more
<i>confidential </i>information normally limited to WG Members. However right now this is only affecting NASA so they should speak up on this. However it is also true that we the approach stays, in future all RIDs could be shown. Is this wanted by Agencies?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">CESG may discuss the matter in a one of the future webex meetings.</span>
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