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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks for sending this along to the editor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">During yesterday’s CESG telecon there was mention that someone from DAI had reported that they wanted to reject the SEA conditions and defer any changes to the document until the next round
of revisions. Recognizing that this might mean a delay of five years before the CCSDS requirement to align with the new(ish) Registry Management Policy, I and other members of the CESG are concerned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please provide a formal response from the DAI as to whether these changes to align with the SANA and the RMP are to be addressed in this revision or if you believe they should be deferred.
And if the latter, please indicate when you think that revision, and alignment, would be accomplished.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">David Giaretta <david@giaretta.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 11:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016, attachment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've passed this on to the book editor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov> <br>
Date: 28/08/2016 02:01 (GMT+00:00) <br>
To: David Giaretta <david@giaretta.org> <br>
Cc: CCSDS Secretariat <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>
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Subject: Re: [Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016, attachment <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">This time with correct address & attachment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>David Giaretta <D.L.Giaretta@rl.ac.uk><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear David,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">My apologies for not getting this response to you in time for it to be included in the CESG results. Since it is late you are
free to ignore it, but I am sending it along because I think it contains information that you and your WG may find valuable. Do with it what you will.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The document, overall, appears to be a quite good piece of work. It is extensive and comprehensive and should be of value to
users trying to implement the PAIS spec.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">In reading through it I did find a number of places, particularly in the introductory sections, where I think things could have
been more clearly stated. For example, the connections between the objects in figures 3-1, -2, and -3 seem to be rather loosely specified. Objects and related object types appear with no stated relationships. A class diagram for that might provide useful.
Figures 3-5 and 3-6 could appear earlier in the chapter. Colors are used in these figures, and they appear to have some meaning, but the semantics associated with them, if they are meaningful, are nowhere stated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Since a part of this document is related to XML, and CCSDS XML schema are stored in the SANA, which is mentioned, a reference
to the SANA really should be included. Furthermore, there are a number of items referenced in this document, such as producer IDs, source IDs, and the like which really should be leveraging the available registries in the SANA. These are all described in
the recently published Registry Management Policy (CCSDS 313.1-Y-1) and the related Procedure for SANA Registry Specification, a guideline for WGs, titled CCSDS 313.2-Y-1. The documents have been in circulation within the CESG for a year or more and they
were published a few months ago. In order to move all CCSDS documents into compliance all newly published documents are expected to adopt these features.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">My suggestion is that you consider rectifying these issues before sending the document on for CMC approval.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Best regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">CESG-All <cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All <cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Results of CESG poll beginning 10 August 2016 and ending 24 August 2016:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> Abstain: 1 (14.29%) (Calzolari)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">editorial condition: In the acronyms section
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