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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">As Gilles said, I have only used CCSDS or ECSS standards in the space projects I have worked for. Therefore I cannot assess the impact of severing
our affiliation to ISO. If we really fear some possible overlaps, negotiating the affiliation fees could be a good option.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">B. Behal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Directrice des Achats, des Recettes externes et des Affaires juridiques<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Bpi 1625<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org]
<b>De la part de</b> Moury Gilles<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 1 décembre 2015 12:29<br>
<b>À :</b> Mario.Merri@esa.int; Nestor.Peccia@esa.int<br>
<b>Cc :</b> cesg@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [CESG] Fwd: [CMC] ISO Affiliation with CCSDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I share the 2 points mentioned by Mario :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ISO more internationally recognized than CCSDS (in fact ISO is the highest standardization body worldwide)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Transfer of CCSDS recommendations into ISO standards avoids potential overlap with other ISO standards or even regional standards (like
European Norms (EN))<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nevertheless, space agencies and industry working on institutional projects use CCSDS recommendations only. Therefore the added value of ISO for
space agencies is limited to an international recognition of the CCSDS work, which is hard to quantify in terms of benefit versus cost.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gilles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gilles MOURY</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">CNES Toulouse</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> <a href="mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int">Mario.Merri@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 1 décembre 2015 08:53<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [CESG] Fwd: [CMC] ISO Affiliation with CCSDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I personally think that the association with ISO is a plus for CCSDS as ISO is certainly more internationally recognised and visible than CCSDS. This association has also avoided
that ISO developed independently standards that might overlap with the CCSDS ones (see for instance the complexity of the relationships between CCSDS and OMG on XTCE).</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Having said that I am not aware of the costs of this association. Maybe, a way forward could be to try to re-negotiate with ISO these costs, if at all possible.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regards,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">__Mario</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">30/11/2015 18:30</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">[CESG] Fwd: [CMC] ISO Affiliation with CCSDS</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a></span>
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Dear all <br>
I would appreciate your prompt reaction <br>
Without copying the CMC, such that the CESG can provide a consensed response <br>
Ciao <br>
Nestor <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 30 Nov 2015, 17:17:19, "James Afarin" <<a href="mailto:james.afarin@nasa.gov">james.afarin@nasa.gov</a>> wrote:
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi All,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">CCSDS secretariat is considering to sever the CCSDS affiliation with ISO due to cost of implementation of ISO requirements and associated fees. The consequence are the CCSDS standards will not be ISO standards
and there will be no ISO TC20/SC13 and ISO TC20/SC14 affiliation with CCSDS. I need to make an urgent decision in this matter so please provide your input by COB Thursday December 3. Also a formal CMC poll will be provided for your official vote very soon.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thank you,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">James</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dr. James Afarin </span>
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