<font size=2 face="Arial">Keith,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">it looks good to me. Thanks you!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">__Mario</font>
<br>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Scott, Keith
L." <kscott@mitre.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Mario.Merri@esa.int"
<Mario.Merri@esa.int>, </font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"
<Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, Brian Oliver <briano@aiaa.org>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"
<cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">11/08/2015 17:01</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [CESG] Comment
on the CSS Area portion of the CCSDS strategic plan</font>
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<br><font size=4 face="Calibri">OK, and yes, there is an historical inconsistency
there. I think what you’re suggesting is the same thing I want —
to get people (like MOIMS, SOIS, etc.) to think of applications over network
rather than just applications (and not thinking of what’s under them,
but probably assuming link). SIS took on ‘applications' like CFDP
and AMS, though our main focus is network and transport (and maybe I should
add in ‘application support’ protocols per Peter’s email. I’ve
always had difficulty with ‘application support' (e.g. HTTP, I think,
can be used for both, depending on context; when I invoke ftp from the
command line, I think of it as THE application I’m using, but if some
other application invokes an ftp file transfer, is FTP then an application
service?). To the transport layer, AMS looks like an application,
but I concur that it’s intended to be used by OTHER applications as a
… well, service, rather than a ‘direct-user’ application. Maybe
I want people to think of ‘application-over-network OR application-over-network-service’.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=4 face="Calibri">I’ve revised the text to add ‘application-service’
protocols in the initial definition, and changed goal 3 to ‘develop application
support protocols that facilitate…’</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=4 face="Calibri">—keith</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>"</font><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">"<b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, August 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM<b><br>
To: </b>"Scott, Keith L."<b><br>
Cc: </b>Brian Oliver, CCSDS Exec, Nestor Peccia<b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] Comment on the CSS Area portion of the CCSDS strategic
plan</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Keith,</font><font size=4 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
1) 3rd goal: I proposed that change to make the goal consistent with your
proposed change in the 2nd paragraph on top where you substituted "Application"
with "Transport". No problem in leaving "applications",
but then you should better qualify or limit the goal. Below a few relevant
considerations from my side.</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Video and Audio: my understanding is that these WGs aim at identifying
interoperable solutions in terms of communications, protocol and data formats.
We had already many joint meetings with Rodney on having on top of this
standard Video/Camera services that could be based on MO Services. I would
think the same apply to Voice. AMS is concerned with message transfer,
so it is still at transport level. CFDP is a file transfer mechanism: there
is already an identified MO service, the File Management Service,
that will use CFDP if this is required by the mission.</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
2) I think that there is no disagreement here. The main reason of my proposed
change is that the MOIMS is not developing applications, but data (e.g.
NAV formats) and services (e.g. MO services), therefore technically there
is no "MOIMS application". </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Regards,</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
__Mario</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Scott,
Keith L." <</font><a href=mailto:kscott@mitre.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>kscott@mitre.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"</font><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"
<</font><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">>,
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Brian
Oliver <</font><a href=mailto:briano@aiaa.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>briano@aiaa.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">>,
"</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"
<</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">>,
"</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"
<</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">10/08/2015
15:14</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] Comment on the CSS Area portion of the CCSDS strategic plan</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font>
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<br>
<br>
Mario, <br>
<br>
Thanks for the feedback. <br>
<br>
I’d like to leave ‘applications’ in the third SIS goal, at least for
the moment. We’ve got the Voice and Motion Imaging WGs finishing
up their work, and SIS is also home to things like CFDP and AMS. I
do agree that MOIMS owns at least a large piece of the ‘applications’
space within CCSDS and it is NOT SIS’ intent to pursue application development
where such applications can be taken on by other areas (e.g. MOIMS, SOIS,
CSS).<br>
<br>
You also replaced ‘MOIMS <b><i>applications</i></b> over SIS internetworks’
with ‘MOIMS <b><i>data and services</i></b> over SIS internetworks’.
I’m fine with that but I thought there was an advantage (in promoting
the SIS view of the world, at least) to ‘applications’ there as it reinforced
the notion that SIS was doing internetwork stuff and the things running
OVER the internetwork were applications. Regardless of the language,
this (apps over network) is the view SIS would like to promote. Are
you strongly in favor of the ‘data and services’ language? Is there
a reason for your suggested change that I’m missing? <br>
<br>
<br>
V/r, <br>
<br>
—keith <br>
</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b><br>
From: </b>"</font><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">"<b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, August 10, 2015 at 8:56 AM<b><br>
To: </b>"Scott, Keith L."<b><br>
Cc: </b>Brian Oliver, CCSDS Exec, Nestor Peccia<b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] Comment on the CSS Area portion of the CCSDS strategic
plan</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Hi Keith,</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
my comments embedded. Please note that for some reason, Word has decided
to use the same colour (red) for both your and my changes, at least on
my computer. I've unsuccessfully tried to change it.<br>
<br>
Regards,</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
__Mario</font><font size=4 face="Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Scott,
Keith L." <</font><a href=mailto:kscott@mitre.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>kscott@mitre.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"
<</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">>,
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Brian
Oliver <</font><a href=mailto:briano@aiaa.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>briano@aiaa.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">>,
"CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">\)
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Date: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">10/08/2015
14:18</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re:
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Proposed changes to the SIS Strategic Plan attached as a Word Document
with Track Changes on.<br>
<br>
V/r, <br>
<br>
—keith </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
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