[CESG] SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

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Peter: I wish I had the budget to pay for the study to answer this question. It’s been floating around for years & I hear opinions but see no analysis or test results. If we don’t study it first, we’ll find out the hard way. I’d rather study it.

Jim

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Subject: Re: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

I think the elephant may trip over his own big feet.

Has anyone done any actual testbed mock-ups of this comm stuff using realistic delays?  Are there any reports about such activities?  Or are they assuming that it’s all going to work in space because it does on the Earth?

I’m asking because much of what I have seen in various “architecture” documents seem to ignore communications architecture issues and the effects of delay and disruption.  Or maybe I’m just not seeing the more detailed documents.

Regards, Peter

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Subject: RE: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
I agree with Peter’s observation & Tomaso’s historical insight (which helps me understand the situation in perspective). I suggest a different approach to reconcile views and improve user adoption at the same time.

What is missing from all of this is the user’s perspective on IPN. Specifically, the Artemis Program that is developing multiple multi-$B systems (with more to come in their huge catalog of elements) and encouraging multiple space agencies to come along with additional large investments. This produces a brand new & enormous community of interest – all based on Artemis using IPv4 or IPv4/v6 end-to-end (at least for initial missions). They have given some vague indications of adding BP from Artemis-VI or later but successful use of IP on the early missions could easily cause that to be delayed. We may not like it but we can't stop the Elephant. I suggest that what we need is to get out of our well-defined but rigid CCSDS-based mindset (apologies if that gives offense but I’m trying to jolt you into considering a different perspective) and set up something new with this rapidly emerging user community to see how we should adjust to the coming onslaught. Why don’t we consider engaging the extended (international) Artemis community outside existing CCSDS WGs in an attempt to determine how to align future standards development with the emerging needs of Human Space Flight? Those mission capabilities drive the evolution of our communication, networking, mission operations, & navigation capabilities.

Jim

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Hi Peter,

I tend to agree with you. These are all diagrams taken from existing CCSDS books, where probably the exercise was to label protocol layers according to the “vicinity” to corresponding ISO/OSI protocol stack layers. As such, IP is traditionally considered the network layer and what above is either a transport layer (TCP or UDP) or an overlay. It would be good to re-align the terminology (and probably also the diagram) to the views given in the SSI book. I also think that the SISG report dated 2009 (if I’m not wrong) advocating for the use of DTN in space provides some more precise terminology or diagrams.
And now that people are getting interested into IP islands and some even argue that IP could be used end-to-end in space, these diagrams could indeed create that confusion you were noting down.

Happy to further iterate on this point,
Best,

Tomaso

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Betreff: Re: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Hi Tomaso,

Thanks for sending this.  I think you did a great job of pulling together existing CCSDS (and IOAG) intro materials and merging in newer materials relating to SIS efforts.   Including the IOAG “Lunar Mission” overview slides (slides 16 & 17 ) is, I believe, a great motivator for why we need the whole IPN suite of standards.

If there is one thing in these materials, and others, that causes confusion it is the distinction drawn on slide 24 between what is highlighted in red as the “Network Layer”, which only includes IP and Encap, and the upper layers labelled “Bundle Layer” that are not highlighted.  This upper layer includes BP (but not BPSec), LTP, and all that CLA stuff.  The reason why I find this troubling is that it can leave the impression that BP is ONLY an “overlay” network and that IP is really the “Network Layer”.  In reality, as is shown on slides 29 & 30, we are advocating for a DTN “backbone network” that is used to connect “IP regions”.  Slide 30 makes that pretty clear, but I think we could do a better job of labelling the DTN parts and the IP parts.

Maybe this feels like I’m being “too picky”, but I think we have something of an uphill battle in getting folks to understand why having the DTN Solar System Internet (SSI) backbone is so important in enabling these “islands of IP” to communicate effectively.  Given the ubiquity of IP in our terrestrial world it is too easy for people to think that it’s really IP everywhere, but that cannot be the case in space.  I think we all understand this, but I do not know that we are communicating it as effectively as we might.

Happy to talk about this at more length.

And thanks for the great job.

Peter

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Subject: AW: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
Hi Peter,

yes here attached. I was planning to distribute them with you all well before the talk but then this action stayed in my TODO list… Sorry for that.

As mentioned a few weeks ago, it is more like an introduction to CCSDS and details about SIS area rather than an actual deep dive, since I had roughly only 45 min for the talk. I’ve however to say that many people were quite interested to see what’s happening in CCSDS and in particular which activities are carried out and which are planned next. That’s why I think it important to do some good “commercial” of what CCSDS is doing, since I had the impression that obviously many stakeholders use our standards for system/product developments but then have a little view on the actual CCSDS mission and framework. As such, at the end of my talk, I have received the usual question as to why CCSDS is so slow in coming up with new recommendations…

Tomaso

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Betreff: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Hi Tomaso,

I was just looking for some materials on space internetworking and security and fell across this.

I assume that you gave this talk on 14 March.  Would you be willing to share the slides with the rest of us who were not present/

Thanks, Peter

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Subject: AW: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
Dear All,

on March 14th I’m going to give an introduction to CCSDS SIS area activities at IPNSIG (https://www.ipnsig.org/<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.us*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fwww.ipnsig.org*2F__*3B!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!J-nIV4zd7yV9BYvLrs1ctVLv0FarmDfeulHFlG1e1_Su8I_aKAjFyn6kLF33gya0cMSkiyTtoY9F27BRU92mRidORa0z-n-2*24&data=05*7C02*7Cpeter.m.shames*40jpl.nasa.gov*7C67075aab250c45b7edfa08dc55aa0401*7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b*7C0*7C0*7C638479435914881153*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=vUkm9y4LD1K*2BDrtGCCD*2BknPCYOZjGiD670npE*2BO0XDk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!LphBIniPz3_rtzJpXe6OcWSka2Mdu6jQUTKqJooYfATW2iqh6QWqh3D3TiLTadXlEzCSLXDpn37TH5rXrB6V8lUUMRkIoQ$>). I was thinking to share some information about this initiative at the end of the talk, although the date of the talk is relatively close to the deadline we set to collect the contributions. If you have any objections about my proposal, please let me know.

Best Regards,

Tomaso

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Betreff: Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
Priorität: Hoch

Please use announcement v1a (attached).  Angela pointed out (thank you) that I had written “pointing” instead of “positioning” as the “P” in PNT.

Teach me to rush.

Sorry, Peter

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Date: Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Attached are the two revised files for the Lunar Interoperability Forum that include PNT as well as comm, and otherwise clean up wording.

Best regards, Peter

From: Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz at esa.int<mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz at esa.int>>
Date: Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 1:54 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Dear Sami,

Yes, please add “Position, Navigation, Timing (PNT)”  spelled out in the announcement. It was an oversight on the CESG side on Tuesday.

Best Regards,

Klaus-Juergen

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Subject: Re: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Peter/Klaus-Juergen:  Did the CESG intend for this to be limited to Communications?

I agree we should add the other keywords.

From: murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp> <murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp>>
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 4:03 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
Hi Sami.

Because the following theme just touches lunar “communications”, I was wondering about lunar “navigation”. It might be better to add keywords “navigation” or “PNT” in the theme so that people from navigation community would be also participating without a problem.

  *   Theme: Bringing together members of the Lunar communications “community” to discuss drivers, opportunities, and means to foster development and deployment of interoperable (and secure) communications systems

Best regards,

Masaya

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Subject: Re: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

I think is should within scope.  Navigation tools and techniques must be interoperable.

Thanks

From: murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp> <murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp>>
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 3:57 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum
Hi Sami,

Thank you very much for the wonderful news.
Regarding the theme, lunar “navigation” or “PNT” is not within the scope of this forum?

Best regards,

Masaya

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Email: murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp>
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From: Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <sami.w.asmar at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:sami.w.asmar at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 8:28 AM
To: Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <james.schier-1 at nasa.gov<mailto:james.schier-1 at nasa.gov>>; 村田　眞哉 <murata.masaya at jaxa.jp<mailto:murata.masaya at jaxa.jp>>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <angela.d.peura at nasa.gov<mailto:angela.d.peura at nasa.gov>>; Massaquoi Amber <AMassaquoi at asrcfederal.com<mailto:AMassaquoi at asrcfederal.com>>
Subject: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum

Hi Jim and Masaya,

I wanted to let you know that the Forum will take place.  We are changing it a little bit to separate from the procurement/tender process by NASA and ESA and make more a community forum for exchange of relevant information.

  *   Workshop title: “Lunar Interoperability Forum”
  *   Date: 7 May 24 in Washington, DC
  *   Place: US Dept of Commerce (NOTE: may need to work access issues)
  *   Sponsors:  CCSDS & IOAG
  *   Chair: Sami Asmar
  *   Theme: Bringing together members of the Lunar communications “community” to discuss drivers, opportunities, and means to foster development and deployment of interoperable (and secure) communications systems
  *   CCSDS objective: Encourage community members to participate in CCSDS Standards activities, there are no other data standards orgs aside from the IETF DTN

I know JAXA will have a presentation for us.  We are now preparing the agenda and getting ready to send the announcement but wanted you to know first.

Jim will also be one of our speakers, of course.

Sami

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