From tomg at aiaa.org Wed Aug 8 16:35:20 2012 From: tomg at aiaa.org (CCSDS Secretariat) Date: Wed Aug 8 16:31:10 2012 Subject: [CESG] New CESG Polls Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 14.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE BEGIN:VEVENT CATEGORIES:Orange Category CLASS:PUBLIC CREATED:20120808T203327Z DESCRIPTION:- CESG-P-2012-08-001 Approval of CCSDS 132.0-B-1 Cor. 1\, Techn ical Corrigendum 1 to CCSDS 132.0-B-1\, Issued September 2003\n- CESG-P-20 12-08-002 Approval of CCSDS 133.0-B-1 Cor. 2\, Technical Corrigendum 2 to CCSDS 133.0-B-1\, Issued September 2003\n- CESG-P-2012-08-003 Approval of CCSDS 133.1-B-2 Cor. 1\, Technical Corrigendum 1 to CCSDS 133.1-B-2\, Issu ed October 2009\n- CESG-P-2012-08-004 Approval of CCSDS 232.0-B-2 Cor. 1\, Technical Corrigendum 1 to CCSDS 232.0-B-2\, Issued September 2010\n- CES G-P-2012-08-005 Approval of CCSDS 732.0-B-2 Cor. 1\, Technical Corrigendum 1 to CCSDS 732.0-B-2\, Issued July 2006\n- CESG-P-2012-08-006 Status chan ge to Historical for CCSDS 135.0-B-4\, Space Link Identifiers (Blue Book\, Issue 4\, October 2009)\n DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20120823 DTSTAMP:20120808T203327Z DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20120822 LAST-MODIFIED:20120808T203327Z PRIORITY:5 SEQUENCE:0 SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-us:CESG Poll Closure TRANSP:TRANSPARENT UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000D0568D7E8375CD01000000000000000 010000000C90855D0BE521640B188E82801C49238 X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

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\n\n\n< /HTML> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:FREE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0 BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT1080M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR From tomg at aiaa.org Thu Aug 9 06:00:00 2012 From: tomg at aiaa.org (CCSDS Secretariat) Date: Thu Aug 9 07:47:27 2012 Subject: [CESG] CESG Poll Closure Reminder Message-ID: <0114bfe0-a605-45db-aef6-6499a26b4e40@AIAASWMLEXCH002.hq.ad.aiaa.org> Dear CESG Members, The closure date for the following polls is 14 August 2012: - CESG-P-2012-07-001 Approval to publish CCSDS 702.1-B-1, IP over CCSDS Space Links (Blue Book, Issue 1) - CESG-P-2012-07-002 Status change to Historical for CCSDS 131.1-O-2, Low Density Parity Check Codes for Use in Near-Earth and Deep Space Applications (Orange Book, Issue 2, September 2007) - CESG-P-2012-07-003 Status change to Historical for CCSDS 131.2-O-1, Flexible Serially Concatenated Convolutional Turbo Codes with Near-Shannon Bound Performance for Telemetry Applications (Orange Book, Issue 1, September 2007) These polls can be accessed via the following link: http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/cesg/Polls/default.aspx NOTE TO CC RECIPIENTS: Only Area Directors and Deputy Area Directors vote on CESG polls. From tomg at aiaa.org Thu Aug 9 11:41:46 2012 From: tomg at aiaa.org (CCSDS Secretariat) Date: Thu Aug 9 11:37:42 2012 Subject: [CESG] CESG Poll Extension Message-ID: Dear CESG Members, At the request of an AD, the closure date for the following poll has been changed to 22 August 2012: - CESG-P-2012-07-001 Approval to publish CCSDS 702.1-B-1, IP over CCSDS Space Links (Blue Book, Issue 1) This poll can be accessed via the following link: http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/cesg/Polls/default.aspx NOTE TO CC RECIPIENTS: Only Area Directors and Deputy Area Directors vote on CESG polls. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120823/92f9a9ca/attachment.htm From ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org Tue Aug 28 20:32:21 2012 From: ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org (ccsds techsupport) Date: Tue Aug 28 20:28:37 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Message-ID: Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG(s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120828/454c0755/attachment.html From Chris.Taylor at esa.int Wed Aug 29 02:46:22 2012 From: Chris.Taylor at esa.int (Chris.Taylor@esa.int) Date: Wed Aug 29 02:42:43 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3743_1346222784_503DBAC0_3743_1553_1_OFE6E9BEB1.B66594C6-ONC1257A69.0024A972-C1257A69.00253477@esa.int> Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 29 10:51:08 2012 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Wed Aug 29 10:47:30 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: <3743_1346222784_503DBAC0_3743_1553_1_OFE6E9BEB1.B66594C6-ONC1257A69.0024A972-C1257A69.00253477@esa.int> References: <3743_1346222784_503DBAC0_3743_1553_1_OFE6E9BEB1.B66594C6-ONC1257A69.0024A972-C1257A69.00253477@esa.int> Message-ID: I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120829/84245cbf/attachment.htm From Chris.Taylor at esa.int Wed Aug 29 14:16:01 2012 From: Chris.Taylor at esa.int (Chris.Taylor@esa.int) Date: Wed Aug 29 14:12:24 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Message-ID: <3687_1346264159_503E5C5F_3687_18454_1_FC996688-BBFA-43C7-B8BB-B9335C245CBE@esa.int> Ok so be it //ct Sent from my iPhone On 29 Aug 2012, at 16:51, "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" wrote: > I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. > > Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. > > ///adrian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM > To: ccsds techsupport > Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org > Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage > > Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. > The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. > > I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. > Regards, > //ct > > > > From: ccsds techsupport > > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 > > Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage > > Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org > > > > > > > Area Directors, > > When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. > > http://cwe.ccsds.org/ > > Thanks!!! > > Brian Oliver > _______________________________________________ > CESG mailing list > CESG@mailman.ccsds.org > http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > _______________________________________________ > CESG mailing list > CESG@mailman.ccsds.org > http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg > _______________________________________________ > CESG mailing list > CESG@mailman.ccsds.org > http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120829/19dbea48/attachment.html From peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 29 15:06:40 2012 From: peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov (Shames, Peter M (313B)) Date: Wed Aug 29 15:03:04 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, I think we need to think this through a little. While I agree that the CWE "Technical Organization" top level page should be cleaned up to reflect the Current Operating Technical Organization, I think that we need to make sure that the existence of working groups and BoFs, and the materials that they have created, do not disappear once they have completed their work. Some working groups seem to have a perpetual lease on life, re-inventing their working agendas each year. Others are more ephemeral and work through their charters, complete their work, and close. In the case of the former type they can always be found in the CWE (once someone understands what a "CWE" is), but if we "off the heads" of the completed WGs they will disappear from sight. But since we do have a policy of revisiting existing standards on a 5 year cycle, we may need to resurrect some of these WGs and to recover their state. And for anyone seeking to understand why certain decisions were made these archives are essential. Right now you can only find these old WG materials if you know to look in the CWE, know what Area they were in, and go dig into the area file archives in the CWE. They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". I poked around and there appears to be no other way to find these things since our "Search" functions remain completely broken. Any search returns a message "No pages were found that match your query. Please check the search tips and try another search." or "We're sorry... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.". Neither of these responses is particularly helpful. My suggestion is that we find a way to not just "off the heads" of these complete WG but to archive them in a way that is both respectful of the work that has been done by these teams and useful in that it can be easily located by anyone looking for it. I think that the following would achieve that: 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list 2. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 3. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG 4. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files If we do this the CWE main page will be cleaned up, but the existence of these closed WG will still be visible and they will be able to be located easily. That will at least allow those who are interested to find these materials when they need to be revisited. And lastly, let's finally fix this CCSDS website "Search" feature. It has been broken for years. If we can't fix it let's remove it. Right now it is just annoying since it appears to be a useful feature, but does not work. Regards, Peter From: , Adrian Hooke > Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 7:51 AM To: Chris Taylor >, CCSDS Tech Support > Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120829/71ebe3ea/attachment-0001.html From erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 29 16:32:38 2012 From: erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov (Barkley, Erik J (3170)) Date: Wed Aug 29 16:29:01 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9785AD5923A1304EAB8166C9C686D15C18E8035B@ap-embx-sp30.RES.AD.JPL> Peter, I've wrestled with this a bit in the CSS Area. The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I second the idea of making the archive more formally visible. I would propose that this link not only to the CWE material but also the mail archive for the terminated WG, SIG, etc. It may be that we would have to consider purging this after some reasonable amount of time - perhaps 10 - 15 years, but to the extent that there is interesting/worthwhile technical data to inform on-going developments I think it is worth pursuing. Best regards, -Erik From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (313B) Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:07 PM To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Chris.Taylor@esa.int; ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Guys, I think we need to think this through a little. While I agree that the CWE "Technical Organization" top level page should be cleaned up to reflect the Current Operating Technical Organization, I think that we need to make sure that the existence of working groups and BoFs, and the materials that they have created, do not disappear once they have completed their work. Some working groups seem to have a perpetual lease on life, re-inventing their working agendas each year. Others are more ephemeral and work through their charters, complete their work, and close. In the case of the former type they can always be found in the CWE (once someone understands what a "CWE" is), but if we "off the heads" of the completed WGs they will disappear from sight. But since we do have a policy of revisiting existing standards on a 5 year cycle, we may need to resurrect some of these WGs and to recover their state. And for anyone seeking to understand why certain decisions were made these archives are essential. Right now you can only find these old WG materials if you know to look in the CWE, know what Area they were in, and go dig into the area file archives in the CWE. They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". I poked around and there appears to be no other way to find these things since our "Search" functions remain completely broken. Any search returns a message "No pages were found that match your query. Please check the search tips and try another search." or "We're sorry... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.". Neither of these responses is particularly helpful. My suggestion is that we find a way to not just "off the heads" of these complete WG but to archive them in a way that is both respectful of the work that has been done by these teams and useful in that it can be easily located by anyone looking for it. I think that the following would achieve that: 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list 2. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 3. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG 4. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files If we do this the CWE main page will be cleaned up, but the existence of these closed WG will still be visible and they will be able to be located easily. That will at least allow those who are interested to find these materials when they need to be revisited. And lastly, let's finally fix this CCSDS website "Search" feature. It has been broken for years. If we can't fix it let's remove it. Right now it is just annoying since it appears to be a useful feature, but does not work. Regards, Peter From: , Adrian Hooke > Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 7:51 AM To: Chris Taylor >, CCSDS Tech Support > Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120829/095d8c4c/attachment.html From ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org Thu Aug 30 00:26:57 2012 From: ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org (ccsds techsupport) Date: Thu Aug 30 00:23:17 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: <9785AD5923A1304EAB8166C9C686D15C18E8035B@ap-embx-sp30.RES.AD.JPL> Message-ID: All, I have corrected most of the search issues that Peter has noted in his e-mail below. http://public.ccsds.org/search.aspx ? Searches via Google on all "Public" CCSDS related information. http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=16510187&ics=1&pid=a&q1= - Searched via FreeFind on "Private" CCSDS Related Information. Note: This is not a perfect solution. Our long-term plan is to implement a enterprise search solution. We are currently using a combination of free services, Google (for the CCSDS.org Website) and Freefind (for the CWE) to perform search features. Both of these solutions were never intended to be long-term, but at the time they were necessary due to lack of money and limited hardware and support. We are in a better place hardware wise now, and eventually we will move to a search solution that we can control and configure on our own servers As for the other suggestions by both Peter and Erik?I have copied the Secretariat on this, so they can provide their inputs. Thanks, Brian Oliver CCSDS Tech Support From: , "Erik J (3170)" > Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:32 PM To: "Shames, Peter M (313B)" >, "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" >, "Chris.Taylor@esa.int" >, Brian Oliver > Cc: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Peter, I?ve wrestled with this a bit in the CSS Area. The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I second the idea of making the archive more formally visible. I would propose that this link not only to the CWE material but also the mail archive for the terminated WG, SIG, etc. It may be that we would have to consider purging this after some reasonable amount of time ? perhaps 10 ? 15 years, but to the extent that there is interesting/worthwhile technical data to inform on-going developments I think it is worth pursuing. Best regards, -Erik From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (313B) Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:07 PM To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Chris.Taylor@esa.int; ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Guys, I think we need to think this through a little. While I agree that the CWE "Technical Organization" top level page should be cleaned up to reflect the Current Operating Technical Organization, I think that we need to make sure that the existence of working groups and BoFs, and the materials that they have created, do not disappear once they have completed their work. Some working groups seem to have a perpetual lease on life, re-inventing their working agendas each year. Others are more ephemeral and work through their charters, complete their work, and close. In the case of the former type they can always be found in the CWE (once someone understands what a "CWE" is), but if we "off the heads" of the completed WGs they will disappear from sight. But since we do have a policy of revisiting existing standards on a 5 year cycle, we may need to resurrect some of these WGs and to recover their state. And for anyone seeking to understand why certain decisions were made these archives are essential. Right now you can only find these old WG materials if you know to look in the CWE, know what Area they were in, and go dig into the area file archives in the CWE. They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". I poked around and there appears to be no other way to find these things since our "Search" functions remain completely broken. Any search returns a message "No pages were found that match your query. Please check the search tips and try another search." or "We're sorry... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.". Neither of these responses is particularly helpful. My suggestion is that we find a way to not just "off the heads" of these complete WG but to archive them in a way that is both respectful of the work that has been done by these teams and useful in that it can be easily located by anyone looking for it. I think that the following would achieve that: 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list 2. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 3. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG 4. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files If we do this the CWE main page will be cleaned up, but the existence of these closed WG will still be visible and they will be able to be located easily. That will at least allow those who are interested to find these materials when they need to be revisited. And lastly, let's finally fix this CCSDS website "Search" feature. It has been broken for years. If we can't fix it let's remove it. Right now it is just annoying since it appears to be a useful feature, but does not work. Regards, Peter From: , Adrian Hooke > Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 7:51 AM To: Chris Taylor >, CCSDS Tech Support > Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120830/629ca6d8/attachment.html From mike.kearney at nasa.gov Thu Aug 30 07:14:29 2012 From: mike.kearney at nasa.gov (Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)) Date: Thu Aug 30 07:10:21 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: References: <9785AD5923A1304EAB8166C9C686D15C18E8035B@ap-embx-sp30.RES.AD.JPL> Message-ID: <2AC93642F8D00342B8FE3F273143E124BFE6CC1A23@NDMSSCC08.ndc.nasa.gov> I'm somewhat sitting on the fence with Peter's list of suggestions. I don't think they bring much additional benefit beyond the folders that are already available in each area, but it's also not much problem to implement them, but of course at a lower priority than some of the other current work (Registration, RID system). ? They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". That seems adequate to me. The only thing missing is the "intro" CWE page that usually has a sketchy (usually inadequate) writeup on the group, and the link to the chair contact and charter. The critical material is in the sharepoint file folders, and they're accessible and I think quite obvious in each area. 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list Of course, no problem. Already underway, I think. 1. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 2. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG I would recommend simply a link that says "completed/closed WGs" and that link takes us to a separate page that lists closed WGs. But not a list of closed WGs on each area's page. It needs to be very clear that these are *closed* and inactive, and if they look too much like operating WGs, visitors to our site will get confused. So I would recommend simply a separate page that lists all closed WGs for which we have the archived materials, and a link at the bottom of each area that says "completed/closed WGs". This would also be less work for our resource-strapped IT team, because they simply have to maintain a page that is a list of closed WGs. That page would a list for all areas, organized under area headers, clearly stating "CLOSED WGs". However... if we have lost the "intro" page or charters that we had for closed WGs, it's too much work to recreate them. Especially considering those intro pages are so poorly written anyhow. Look at the CSTS or DTN write-ups, to see what I mean. The only data we're "rescuing" is the name and obsolete contact info for the past WG chairs. 1. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files. The Sharepoint file folders are currently not linked to a WG. In an WG page, all of the file folders for all of the files in an area are displayed for any WG in that area. I think we shouldn't change the file folder layout... that folder that says "Closed WGs" seems more than adequate for access to closed WG folders. ? (From Erik) The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I agree with that. I thought we already had the mail lists archived here: http://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo But that list has some closed WGs (SDR) but not others. Besides this page of "CCSDS Open Mailing Lists" I guess we need a page of "CCSDS Closed Mailing Lists". But I would make it accessible only to CWE users (not public) because we don't want the public to get confused about ongoing work versus closed work. And a very clear statement at the top that these are from closed WGs. Maybe we should just let Brian and his IT support chew on this and come up with a good way to have a "cemetery" of closed WGs (intro pages and charters) that can be resurrected if needed. But still, it seems to me that the only benefit that will bring is the contact info for the past WG chair, maybe a Word-based charter that likely wouldn't apply to new work anyhow, and the mail list archives. -=- Mike Mike Kearney CCSDS Chairman and General Secretary www.ccsds.org **************** Mail Code EO-01 NASA Marshall Space Flight Center Huntsville, Alabama 35803, USA +1-256-544-2029 Mike.Kearney@nasa.gov From: secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of ccsds techsupport Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:27 AM To: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Cc: secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [Secretariat] Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage All, I have corrected most of the search issues that Peter has noted in his e-mail below. http://public.ccsds.org/search.aspx - Searches via Google on all "Public" CCSDS related information. http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=16510187&ics=1&pid=a&q1= - Searched via FreeFind on "Private" CCSDS Related Information. Note: This is not a perfect solution. Our long-term plan is to implement a enterprise search solution. We are currently using a combination of free services, Google (for the CCSDS.org Website) and Freefind (for the CWE) to perform search features. Both of these solutions were never intended to be long-term, but at the time they were necessary due to lack of money and limited hardware and support. We are in a better place hardware wise now, and eventually we will move to a search solution that we can control and configure on our own servers As for the other suggestions by both Peter and Erik...I have copied the Secretariat on this, so they can provide their inputs. Thanks, Brian Oliver CCSDS Tech Support From: , "Erik J (3170)" > Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:32 PM To: "Shames, Peter M (313B)" >, "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" >, "Chris.Taylor@esa.int" >, Brian Oliver > Cc: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Peter, I've wrestled with this a bit in the CSS Area. The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I second the idea of making the archive more formally visible. I would propose that this link not only to the CWE material but also the mail archive for the terminated WG, SIG, etc. It may be that we would have to consider purging this after some reasonable amount of time - perhaps 10 - 15 years, but to the extent that there is interesting/worthwhile technical data to inform on-going developments I think it is worth pursuing. Best regards, -Erik From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (313B) Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:07 PM To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Chris.Taylor@esa.int; ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Guys, I think we need to think this through a little. While I agree that the CWE "Technical Organization" top level page should be cleaned up to reflect the Current Operating Technical Organization, I think that we need to make sure that the existence of working groups and BoFs, and the materials that they have created, do not disappear once they have completed their work. Some working groups seem to have a perpetual lease on life, re-inventing their working agendas each year. Others are more ephemeral and work through their charters, complete their work, and close. In the case of the former type they can always be found in the CWE (once someone understands what a "CWE" is), but if we "off the heads" of the completed WGs they will disappear from sight. But since we do have a policy of revisiting existing standards on a 5 year cycle, we may need to resurrect some of these WGs and to recover their state. And for anyone seeking to understand why certain decisions were made these archives are essential. Right now you can only find these old WG materials if you know to look in the CWE, know what Area they were in, and go dig into the area file archives in the CWE. They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". I poked around and there appears to be no other way to find these things since our "Search" functions remain completely broken. Any search returns a message "No pages were found that match your query. Please check the search tips and try another search." or "We're sorry... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.". Neither of these responses is particularly helpful. My suggestion is that we find a way to not just "off the heads" of these complete WG but to archive them in a way that is both respectful of the work that has been done by these teams and useful in that it can be easily located by anyone looking for it. I think that the following would achieve that: 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list 2. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 3. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG 4. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files If we do this the CWE main page will be cleaned up, but the existence of these closed WG will still be visible and they will be able to be located easily. That will at least allow those who are interested to find these materials when they need to be revisited. And lastly, let's finally fix this CCSDS website "Search" feature. It has been broken for years. If we can't fix it let's remove it. Right now it is just annoying since it appears to be a useful feature, but does not work. Regards, Peter From: , Adrian Hooke > Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 7:51 AM To: Chris Taylor >, CCSDS Tech Support > Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! Brian Oliver _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ CESG mailing list CESG@mailman.ccsds.org http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/cesg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20120830/04eb840c/attachment-0001.html From ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org Thu Aug 30 08:14:02 2012 From: ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org (ccsds techsupport) Date: Thu Aug 30 08:10:16 2012 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage In-Reply-To: <2AC93642F8D00342B8FE3F273143E124BFE6CC1A23@NDMSSCC08.ndc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: There is already a webpage for closed mailing lists, which is located off the Mailman homepage. http://mailman.ccsds.org/ I'll move the SOIS-SDR there when I get a chance. From: , "Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)" > Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:14 AM To: Brian Oliver >, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Cc: "secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org" > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I?m somewhat sitting on the fence with Peter?s list of suggestions. I don?t think they bring much additional benefit beyond the folders that are already available in each area, but it?s also not much problem to implement them, but of course at a lower priority than some of the other current work (Registration, RID system). ? They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". That seems adequate to me. The only thing missing is the ?intro? CWE page that usually has a sketchy (usually inadequate) writeup on the group, and the link to the chair contact and charter. The critical material is in the sharepoint file folders, and they?re accessible and I think quite obvious in each area. 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list Of course, no problem. Already underway, I think. 1. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 2. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG I would recommend simply a link that says ?completed/closed WGs? and that link takes us to a separate page that lists closed WGs. But not a list of closed WGs on each area?s page. It needs to be very clear that these are *closed* and inactive, and if they look too much like operating WGs, visitors to our site will get confused. So I would recommend simply a separate page that lists all closed WGs for which we have the archived materials, and a link at the bottom of each area that says ?completed/closed WGs?. This would also be less work for our resource-strapped IT team, because they simply have to maintain a page that is a list of closed WGs. That page would a list for all areas, organized under area headers, clearly stating ?CLOSED WGs?. However? if we have lost the ?intro? page or charters that we had for closed WGs, it?s too much work to recreate them. Especially considering those intro pages are so poorly written anyhow. Look at the CSTS or DTN write-ups, to see what I mean. The only data we?re ?rescuing? is the name and obsolete contact info for the past WG chairs. 1. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files. The Sharepoint file folders are currently not linked to a WG. In an WG page, all of the file folders for all of the files in an area are displayed for any WG in that area. I think we shouldn?t change the file folder layout? that folder that says ?Closed WGs? seems more than adequate for access to closed WG folders. ? (From Erik) The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I agree with that. I thought we already had the mail lists archived here: http://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo But that list has some closed WGs (SDR) but not others. Besides this page of ?CCSDS Open Mailing Lists? I guess we need a page of ?CCSDS Closed Mailing Lists?. But I would make it accessible only to CWE users (not public) because we don?t want the public to get confused about ongoing work versus closed work. And a very clear statement at the top that these are from closed WGs. Maybe we should just let Brian and his IT support chew on this and come up with a good way to have a ?cemetery? of closed WGs (intro pages and charters) that can be resurrected if needed. But still, it seems to me that the only benefit that will bring is the contact info for the past WG chair, maybe a Word-based charter that likely wouldn?t apply to new work anyhow, and the mail list archives. -=- Mike Mike Kearney CCSDS Chairman and General Secretary www.ccsds.org **************** Mail Code EO-01 NASA Marshall Space Flight Center Huntsville, Alabama 35803, USA +1-256-544-2029 Mike.Kearney@nasa.gov From: secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of ccsds techsupport Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:27 AM To: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Cc: secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [Secretariat] Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage All, I have corrected most of the search issues that Peter has noted in his e-mail below. http://public.ccsds.org/search.aspx ? Searches via Google on all "Public" CCSDS related information. http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=16510187&ics=1&pid=a&q1= - Searched via FreeFind on "Private" CCSDS Related Information. Note: This is not a perfect solution. Our long-term plan is to implement a enterprise search solution. We are currently using a combination of free services, Google (for the CCSDS.org Website) and Freefind (for the CWE) to perform search features. Both of these solutions were never intended to be long-term, but at the time they were necessary due to lack of money and limited hardware and support. We are in a better place hardware wise now, and eventually we will move to a search solution that we can control and configure on our own servers As for the other suggestions by both Peter and Erik?I have copied the Secretariat on this, so they can provide their inputs. Thanks, Brian Oliver CCSDS Tech Support From: , "Erik J (3170)" > Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:32 PM To: "Shames, Peter M (313B)" >, "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" >, "Chris.Taylor@esa.int" >, Brian Oliver > Cc: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Peter, I?ve wrestled with this a bit in the CSS Area. The issue also extends to email archives in addition to the CWE material. I second the idea of making the archive more formally visible. I would propose that this link not only to the CWE material but also the mail archive for the terminated WG, SIG, etc. It may be that we would have to consider purging this after some reasonable amount of time ? perhaps 10 ? 15 years, but to the extent that there is interesting/worthwhile technical data to inform on-going developments I think it is worth pursuing. Best regards, -Erik From:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (313B) Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:07 PM To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Chris.Taylor@esa.int; ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Guys, I think we need to think this through a little. While I agree that the CWE "Technical Organization" top level page should be cleaned up to reflect the Current Operating Technical Organization, I think that we need to make sure that the existence of working groups and BoFs, and the materials that they have created, do not disappear once they have completed their work. Some working groups seem to have a perpetual lease on life, re-inventing their working agendas each year. Others are more ephemeral and work through their charters, complete their work, and close. In the case of the former type they can always be found in the CWE (once someone understands what a "CWE" is), but if we "off the heads" of the completed WGs they will disappear from sight. But since we do have a policy of revisiting existing standards on a 5 year cycle, we may need to resurrect some of these WGs and to recover their state. And for anyone seeking to understand why certain decisions were made these archives are essential. Right now you can only find these old WG materials if you know to look in the CWE, know what Area they were in, and go dig into the area file archives in the CWE. They can only be found in the folder hierarchy in the left hand "directory tree" down in an Area's materials, filed under "Work Completed (Closed Working Groups)". I poked around and there appears to be no other way to find these things since our "Search" functions remain completely broken. Any search returns a message "No pages were found that match your query. Please check the search tips and try another search." or "We're sorry... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.". Neither of these responses is particularly helpful. My suggestion is that we find a way to not just "off the heads" of these complete WG but to archive them in a way that is both respectful of the work that has been done by these teams and useful in that it can be easily located by anyone looking for it. I think that the following would achieve that: 1. Clean up the current CWE top page to be titled "Current Operating Technical Organization" and remove any completed or closed WG, BoF, SIG from that list 2. Add an area at the bottom of this CWE Top Page that would provide a on-line per WG list, for each area, of the Closed / Completed WG, link this list to each Area's CWE page 3. Add the list of Closed / Completed WG, BoF etc to the right hand navigation pane on each Areas CWE page, following, but clearly separated from, the currently active WG 4. Link each of the Closed WG entires in the navigation window to the buried CWE archive files If we do this the CWE main page will be cleaned up, but the existence of these closed WG will still be visible and they will be able to be located easily. That will at least allow those who are interested to find these materials when they need to be revisited. And lastly, let's finally fix this CCSDS website "Search" feature. It has been broken for years. If we can't fix it let's remove it. Right now it is just annoying since it appears to be a useful feature, but does not work. Regards, Peter From: , Adrian Hooke > Date: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 7:51 AM To: Chris Taylor >, CCSDS Tech Support > Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: RE: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage I think that we should remove all possible cruft from the homepage. If a WG has done its job, let's close it out and remove it from CCSDS visibility. If we re-charter it to do an update, we will then add it back on for the period that it is active. Is the Time Correlation BOF still alive? If not, off with its head. ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Chris.Taylor@esa.int Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:46 PM To: ccsds techsupport Cc: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: Re: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Brian, one thing I'm not sure of is whether we should add the SOIS subnet WG. The work of the group has finished and the WG is inactive so I took the liberty of removing the group from the SOIS area but there may be a time when we need to perform a review cycle. This could be handled at SOIS area level or we could resurrect the subnetwork WG. I guess this is a CCSDS policy decision and I have therefore copied CESG for opinions. Regards, //ct From: ccsds techsupport > To: "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" > Date: 29/08/2012 02:32 Subject: [CESG] Please Review the CCSDS CWE Homepage Sent by: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org Area Directors, When you have time, could you please take a moment and review the CCSDS CWE Homepage for your particular area. Please let me know if there are and WG (s), BOF(s), or SIG(s) that may be either closed or have the wrong Chair labeled for them. http://cwe.ccsds.org/ Thanks!!! 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