From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 2 08:04:21 2010 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Thu Sep 2 07:44:45 2010 Subject: [CESG] China's space station goes CCSDS-AOS Message-ID: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF83E42471@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5554067 640Mbps High-Rate Frame Multiplexer and its multi-channels control rule for CCSDS Principal Network 5554067 abstract Yang, Yikang; Li, Xue; Liu, Lei; Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China, Chengdu 610054, China This paper appears in: Intelligent Control and Automation (WCICA), 2010 8th World Congress on Issue Date: 7-9 July 2010 Location: Jinan, China Date of Current Version: 23 August 2010 Abstract In this paper, the 640Mbps High Rate Frame Multiplexer of CCSDS Advanced Orbit Systems protocol for China's further space station project is introduced in detail about its protocol, multi-channels control rule, and its transmission control system in CCSDS Principal Network. Confirming CCSDS protocol, the HRFM of 640Mbps realize assigning virtual channels, formatting transfer frame, multiplexing multi-channel data stream, and channel coding for several payload such as video/audio encoder, solid state recorder, and 1553B/1394a bus devices. Then a space-ground data communication system is established by combing 640Mbps CCSDS HRFM, data source devices, High Rate Data Receiver and Processor on ground. Physical system have excellent perform and function parameters, especially obtain QoS perform such as isochronous service, real-time data transfer, minimal transfer delay and skew, so that the developed CCSDS protocol instruments can satisfy many China's further space projection for high rate data communication. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100902/4b7d18f9/attachment.htm From tomg at aiaa.org Mon Sep 6 18:32:06 2010 From: tomg at aiaa.org (CCSDS Secretariat) Date: Mon Sep 6 18:12:29 2010 Subject: [CESG] New CESG Poll Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 12.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE BEGIN:VEVENT CATEGORIES:Orange Category CLASS:PUBLIC CREATED:20100906T222805Z DESCRIPTION:CESG-P-2010-09-001 Final approval of CCSDS 880.0-G-1\, Wireless Network Communications Overview for Space Mission Operations (Green Book\ , Issue 1)\n DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20100928 DTSTAMP:20100906T222805Z DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20100927 LAST-MODIFIED:20100906T222805Z PRIORITY:5 SEQUENCE:0 SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-us:CESG Poll Closure TRANSP:TRANSPARENT UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000100CDC32F14DCB01000000000000000 01000000042E61FE745635245ACC58AB27D351444 X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

CESG-P-2010-09-001 Final approval of CCSDS 880.0-G-1\, Wireless Networ k Communications Overview for Space Mission Operations (Green Book\, Issue 1)

CESG-P-2010-09-002 Approval to dissolve Space Packet Protocol Working Group

\n\n\n X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:FREE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-MS-OLK-ALLOWEXTERNCHECK:TRUE X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0 BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT1080M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 7 16:03:20 2010 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Tue Sep 7 15:43:38 2010 Subject: [CESG] SEA voting record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF83E429F5@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Peter: while SOIS may not be deeply affected by Tracking, SEA is. From my quick scan of my email inbox, it looks like the Systems Engineering Area Director didn't vote on 7 of the last 8 CESG polls. Do you intend to improve on this track record, or do you have some other dark strategy in mind? ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: Of CCSDS Secretariat Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:51 PM To: cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [Secretariat] [Cesg-all] Results of CESG polls closing 1 September 2010 CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2010-08-002 Approval of Corrigendum 1 to CCSDS 503.0-B-1, Tracking Data Message (Blue Book, Issue 1, November 2007) Results of CESG poll beginning 24 August 2010 and ending 1 September 2010: Abstain: 0 (0%) Approve Unconditionally: 4 (100%) (Thompson, Barkley, Gerner, Durst) Approve with Conditions: 0 (0%) Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%) Total Respondents: 4 No response was received from the following Area(s): SEA SOIS SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved Unconditionally PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Generate CMC poll * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It can be easily implemented by the Secretariat towards the CMC members You will find below the NAV WG example ciao nestor ====================================== NAV WG currently has membership only from NASA, ESA, JAXA, CNES. NAV WG has lost the ASI member effective this past spring, and has heard nothing about a replacement, though NAV WG chair has inquired. NAV WG DLR representative, formerly quite active, has not been able to meet with the WG since Rome (though we have heard he may be resuming his involvement at the London meetings). We have not had involvement from CNSA, CSA, INPE, RFSA, or the UK Space Agency. Thus we ask whether or not there is an official way to solicit membership for the different CCSDS Groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100910/5baafc98/attachment.html From mike.kearney at nasa.gov Fri Sep 10 10:37:39 2010 From: mike.kearney at nasa.gov (Kearney, Mike W. 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Topic: CESG Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 Time: 11:30 am, Eastern Time (New York, GMT-04:00) Meeting Number: 999 635 555 Meeting Password: 091510_wrkg* ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://nasa.webex.com/nasa/j.php?ED=137459097&UID=0&PW=NYzRmNDQzZDZk&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. Enter your name and email address. 3. Enter the meeting password: 091510_wrkg* 4. Click "Join Now". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://nasa.webex.com/nasa/j.php?ED=137459097&UID=0&PW=NYzRmNDQzZDZk&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D ------------------------------------------------------- For assistance ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://nasa.webex.com/nasa/mc 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 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No poll issued !!! > ======================================= > CESG Chair > > The following resolution has been approved by MOIMS AD. > > ciao > nestor > > ******************************************************************* > > *MOIMS-SMC WG-R-2010-01-004,* Resolution recommending the Agency > review of the following documents > > - *XML TELEMETRIC & COMMAND EXCHANGE - CCSDS* > *- XML TELEMETRIC & COMMAND EXCHANGE - CORE* > > > The MOIMS Area, > > CONSIDERING that all technical issues on the *XML TELEMETRIC & COMMAND > EXCHANGE - CCSDS and CORE* have been successfully dispositioned > > and RECOGNIZING that all steps recommended by the CCSDS procedures > have been successfully concluded and that this document has the > approval of the SM&C WG Chair and the full endorsement of the MOIMS AD > > RECOMMENDS that the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group Chair initiates > the required CESG poll for its approval > > ******************************************************************* > > *_Attachment_* > > *XML TELEMETRIC & COMMAND EXCHANGE - CCSDS* > _http://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-SMandC/Draft%20Documents/XTCE/XTCE1.1/XTCE1.1_CCSDS_MagentaBookDraftMay032010.doc_ > > > *XML TELEMETRIC & COMMAND EXCHANGE - CORE* > _http://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-SMandC/Draft%20Documents/XTCE/XTCE1.1/XTCE1.1_Core_MagentaBookDraftMay312010.doc_ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim and I have spoken and agreed that it would be fairly instructive to start with some reference architecture (perhaps STRS, but not necessarily) and go through at least an academic process of mapping Prox-1 to this reference. I'm sure we would find a lot out about how reconfigurable platforms were at least referenced within CCSDS through such an activity. > > Regards, > Larry > ________________________________________ > From: Shames, Peter M (313B) [peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:58 PM > To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Jean-Luc Gerner; Chris Taylor > Cc: Foore, Larry R. (GRC-RHD0); CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec > Subject: Re: Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? > > I think it is time to take a serious look at this and cannot think of another organization in which we could do it and produce a result that will be meaningful to our civilian space agencies. Since calling it ?reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms? sounds rather cross-cutting and the product is likely to be a recommended practice or a reference architecture rather than a single discrete protocol spec, I would consider housing it in SEA. > > Regardless of where it winds up it will be essential to include the perspectives, and the experts, of other areas and other working groups. > > Peter > > > > On 9/13/10 1:33 PM, "Adrian Hooke" wrote: > > Jean-Luc, Chris, Peter: following lunch-time his talk at the Portsmouth meeting, Larry Foore of NASA-Glenn has been leading an activity over the summer to identify if there is potential interest in CCSDS in forming a BOF to study the possible standardization of ?software defined radios?. I understand from Larry that as an outcome of these discussions it has been proposed to broaden the scope from SDRs to reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms in general. > > There has been considerably US interest in this subject but I understand from Larry that only one person from another Agency (ESA) became engaged over the summer (this may of course be because of the holiday period). We therefore need to decide whether to ?raise a BOF? at the London meeting. If we do, we need to decide to which Area it would be attached. Do any of you have sufficient interest to call such a BOF? If not, we should drop the subject. Please indicate your interest: > [cid:3367231104_9058312] > > Best regards > Adrian > > > From: sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Fowell > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:28 AM > To: sois@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-app@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-subnet@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org > Subject: [Sois-wir] Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation > > > Dear SOIS members, > > > > There is currently a proposal before the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG) to form a Birds-of-a-Feather group (BoF) looking into the interest in standardising on Software-Defined Radio (SDR) in the Space domain. > > > > If you have any interest in participating in such a BoF please could you let me know by the end of 13 July 2010 so I can report this back to the CESG. > > > > Regards, > > Stuart D. Fowell BEng MBCS > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Peter Shames > Manager - JPL Data Systems Standards Program > InterPlanetary Network Directorate > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 > California Institute of Technology > Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871 > > Internet: Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov > ________________________________________________________ > "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring > will be to arrive at where we started, and know the place for the first time" > > T.S. Eliot > > > From chris.taylor at esa.int Tue Sep 14 04:09:07 2010 From: chris.taylor at esa.int (chris.taylor@esa.int) Date: Tue Sep 14 03:49:39 2010 Subject: [CESG] re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Message-ID: Dear all,, I haven't replied yet to the initial interest in this topic but I have done a little background digging here and at ESA we would be interested in investigating the original target of SDR. I have no problem to host the discussion in the SOIS area and would propose an agenda item on the Thursday for which we will free an existing SOIS room. If Peter wants to take on the more ambitious activity of a standardised platform in SEA this is fine by me but this is a very large undertaking and I'm not so sure we are in a position to proceed. What we have been working on at ESA, to a large extent driven by CCSDS SOIS but also as part of our SAVOIR coordination activity with industry, is the identification of avionics building blocks with well defined interfaces and functions. A good example of this is a mass memory unit complying with SOIS file and packet store services supported by ECSS defined protocols for Milbus, CAN and SpaceWire. We are busy mapping this to the packet utilisation standard (PUS) used over the space link in support of file based operations. As part of our DTN/CFDP implementation activities we will use a prototype mass memory implementation to further verify the setup. After some delays, which have slowed the work in SOIS, we have just secured funding for related activities on the use of electronic data sheets and plug and play protocols, and I would suggest that this offers a more realistic way forward in harmonising our onboard systems. Lots to discuss I guess, Regards, //ct If Peter "Shames, Peter M (313B)" "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" , 13/09/2010 22:58 Jean-Luc Gerner , Chris Taylor cc Larry Foore , CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec Subject Re: Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? I think it is time to take a serious look at this and cannot think of another organization in which we could do it and produce a result that will be meaningful to our civilian space agencies. Since calling it ?reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms? sounds rather cross-cutting and the product is likely to be a recommended practice or a reference architecture rather than a single discrete protocol spec, I would consider housing it in SEA. Regardless of where it winds up it will be essential to include the perspectives, and the experts, of other areas and other working groups. Peter On 9/13/10 1:33 PM, "Adrian Hooke" wrote: Jean-Luc, Chris, Peter: following lunch-time his talk at the Portsmouth meeting, Larry Foore of NASA-Glenn has been leading an activity over the summer to identify if there is potential interest in CCSDS in forming a BOF to study the possible standardization of ?software defined radios?. I understand from Larry that as an outcome of these discussions it has been proposed to broaden the scope from SDRs to reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms in general. There has been considerably US interest in this subject but I understand from Larry that only one person from another Agency (ESA) became engaged over the summer (this may of course be because of the holiday period). We therefore need to decide whether to ?raise a BOF? at the London meeting. If we do, we need to decide to which Area it would be attached. Do any of you have sufficient interest to call such a BOF? If not, we should drop the subject. Please indicate your interest: Best regards Adrian From: sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [ mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Fowell Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:28 AM To: sois@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-app@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-subnet@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [Sois-wir] Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation Dear SOIS members, There is currently a proposal before the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG) to form a Birds-of-a-Feather group (BoF) looking into the interest in standardising on Software-Defined Radio (SDR) in the Space domain. If you have any interest in participating in such a BoF please could you let me know by the end of 13 July 2010 so I can report this back to the CESG. Regards, Stuart D. Fowell BEng MBCS _______________________________________________________ Peter Shames Manager - JPL Data Systems Standards Program InterPlanetary Network Directorate Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871 Internet: Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov ________________________________________________________ "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and know the place for the first time" T.S. Eliot From Nestor.Peccia at esa.int Wed Sep 15 08:41:16 2010 From: Nestor.Peccia at esa.int (Nestor.Peccia@esa.int) Date: Wed Sep 15 08:21:50 2010 Subject: [CESG] re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL>

Message-ID: Christ I fully agree with you. Let's start, following the KISS approach, with a simple discussion within the area to whom SDR belongs. Once it is decided that a WG can be created, we can have a further discussion about its location in the CCSDS framework. and my personal opinion is that we can not produce any future SDR standard without the participation of the Satellites providers (as it is happening in the European SAVOIR initiative) ciao nestor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100915/c146535d/attachment.html From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 15 10:30:03 2010 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Wed Sep 15 10:10:35 2010 Subject: [CESG] RE: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL>

Message-ID: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Chris: I agree that we should keep the scope focused on defining exactly what we would propose to internationally standardize in association with a software-defined spacecraft radio. Therefore, SOIS appears to be the right initial home for the activity. After we have understood this more narrow application (and whether or not there *is* value in a standard), we can then decide if the work should be expanded or should migrate to another Area (SLS also seems to be a possible candidate). We might also decide that CCSDS isn?t the right home. In order to get to those decisions, we need a much clearer picture of the problem and proposed solution. I have therefore asked Larry Foore to take up your SOIS hosting offer and to work with you to raise the BOF in London. I am also pleased to see the renewed interest in moving forward on the plug-n-play work. We have literally zero NASA standards resources to apply to this problem but I agree that it offers a realistic way forward and I understand from Jim Lyke that the Air Force Research Lab is willing to shoulder some of the burden. Can we assume that ? as Chair of the SOIS PnP BOF ? Stuart will be calling a meeting in London? By the way, the SpaceOps video on CCSDS and DTN just got posted to the NASA public website: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=16351503 ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: chris.taylor@esa.int [mailto:chris.taylor@esa.int] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:09 AM To: Shames, Peter M (313B) Cc: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; Jean-Luc Gerner; Larry Foore Subject: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? Dear all,, I haven't replied yet to the initial interest in this topic but I have done a little background digging here and at ESA we would be interested in investigating the original target of SDR. I have no problem to host the discussion in the SOIS area and would propose an agenda item on the Thursday for which we will free an existing SOIS room. If Peter wants to take on the more ambitious activity of a standardised platform in SEA this is fine by me but this is a very large undertaking and I'm not so sure we are in a position to proceed. What we have been working on at ESA, to a large extent driven by CCSDS SOIS but also as part of our SAVOIR coordination activity with industry, is the identification of avionics building blocks with well defined interfaces and functions. A good example of this is a mass memory unit complying with SOIS file and packet store services supported by ECSS defined protocols for Milbus, CAN and SpaceWire. We are busy mapping this to the packet utilisation standard (PUS) used over the space link in support of file based operations. As part of our DTN/CFDP implementation activities we will use a prototype mass memory implementation to further verify the setup. After some delays, which have slowed the work in SOIS, we have just secured funding for related activities on the use of electronic data sheets and plug and play protocols, and I would suggest that this offers a more realistic way forward in harmonising our onboard systems. Lots to discuss I guess, Regards, //ct If Peter "Shames, Peter M (313B)" "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" , 13/09/2010 22:58 Jean-Luc Gerner , Chris Taylor cc Larry Foore , CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec Subject Re: Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? I think it is time to take a serious look at this and cannot think of another organization in which we could do it and produce a result that will be meaningful to our civilian space agencies. Since calling it ?reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms? sounds rather cross-cutting and the product is likely to be a recommended practice or a reference architecture rather than a single discrete protocol spec, I would consider housing it in SEA. Regardless of where it winds up it will be essential to include the perspectives, and the experts, of other areas and other working groups. Peter On 9/13/10 1:33 PM, "Adrian Hooke" wrote: Jean-Luc, Chris, Peter: following lunch-time his talk at the Portsmouth meeting, Larry Foore of NASA-Glenn has been leading an activity over the summer to identify if there is potential interest in CCSDS in forming a BOF to study the possible standardization of ?software defined radios?. I understand from Larry that as an outcome of these discussions it has been proposed to broaden the scope from SDRs to reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms in general. There has been considerably US interest in this subject but I understand from Larry that only one person from another Agency (ESA) became engaged over the summer (this may of course be because of the holiday period). We therefore need to decide whether to ?raise a BOF? at the London meeting. If we do, we need to decide to which Area it would be attached. Do any of you have sufficient interest to call such a BOF? If not, we should drop the subject. Please indicate your interest: Best regards Adrian From: sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [ mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Fowell Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:28 AM To: sois@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-app@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-subnet@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [Sois-wir] Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation Dear SOIS members, There is currently a proposal before the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG) to form a Birds-of-a-Feather group (BoF) looking into the interest in standardising on Software-Defined Radio (SDR) in the Space domain. If you have any interest in participating in such a BoF please could you let me know by the end of 13 July 2010 so I can report this back to the CESG. Regards, Stuart D. Fowell BEng MBCS _______________________________________________________ Peter Shames Manager - JPL Data Systems Standards Program InterPlanetary Network Directorate Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871 Internet: Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov ________________________________________________________ "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and know the place for the first time" T.S. Eliot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100915/d1f409cc/attachment.html From jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 11:01:21 2010 From: jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com (Jean-luc Gerner) Date: Wed Sep 15 10:41:52 2010 Subject: [CESG] RE: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL>

<6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Message-ID: <776505.30403.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Adrian, The various email exchanges show that, indeed, some thinking is needed to make up our mind as to what should be standardised (if any) by CCSDS. My own opinion is that, since CCSDS is dealing with cross-support, it might be worthwhile thinking of communications procedures and protocols and what benefits a flexible/in-flight programmable radio ?can offer. The end product might be requirements on functionalities of onboard and onground radios. Note that the current generation of European transponders and ESA ground Tx/Rx devices are already SDRs. The role of a BOF being mostly to write a WG charter, I wonder to what extent a cross-areas SIG would not be more adequate at this stage. Jean-Luc ________________________________ From: "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" To: "chris.taylor@esa.int" Cc: "Lyke, James C Civ USAF AFMC AFRL/RVSE" ; Larry Foore ; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 4:30:03 PM Subject: [CESG] RE: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? Chris: I agree that we should keep the scope focused on defining exactly what we would propose to internationally standardize in association with a software-defined spacecraft radio. Therefore, SOIS appears to be the right initial home for the activity. After we have understood this more narrow application (and whether or not there *is* value in a standard), we can then decide if the work should be expanded or should migrate to another Area (SLS also seems to be a possible candidate). We might also decide that CCSDS isn?t the right home. In order to get to those decisions, we need a much clearer picture of the problem and proposed solution. I have therefore asked Larry Foore to take up your SOIS hosting offer and to work with you to raise the BOF in London. ? I am also pleased to see the renewed interest in moving forward on the plug-n-play work. We have literally zero NASA standards resources to apply to this problem but I agree that it offers a realistic way forward and I understand from Jim Lyke that the Air Force Research Lab is willing to shoulder some of the burden. Can we assume that ? as Chair of the SOIS PnP BOF ? Stuart will be calling a meeting in London? ? By the way, the SpaceOps video on CCSDS and DTN just got posted to the NASA public website: ? http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=16351503 ? ///adrian ? ? -----Original Message----- From: chris.taylor@esa.int [mailto:chris.taylor@esa.int] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:09 AM To: Shames, Peter M (313B) Cc: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; Jean-Luc Gerner; Larry Foore Subject: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? ? Dear all,, I haven't replied yet to the initial interest in this topic but I have done a little background digging here and at ESA we would be interested in investigating the original target of SDR.? I have no problem to host the discussion in the SOIS area and would propose an agenda item on the Thursday for which we will free an existing SOIS room. ? If Peter wants to take on the more ambitious activity of a standardised platform in SEA this is fine by me but this is a very large undertaking and I'm not so sure we are in a position to proceed. ? What we have been working on at ESA, to a large extent driven by CCSDS SOIS but also as part of our SAVOIR coordination activity with industry,? is the identification of avionics building blocks with well defined interfaces and functions. A good example of this is a mass memory unit complying with SOIS file and packet store services supported by ECSS defined protocols for Milbus, CAN and SpaceWire. We are busy mapping this to the packet utilisation standard (PUS) used over the space link in support of file based operations. As part of our DTN/CFDP implementation activities we will use a prototype mass memory implementation to further verify the setup. ? After some delays, which have slowed the work in SOIS, we have just secured funding for related activities on the use of electronic data sheets and plug and play protocols, and I would suggest that this offers a more realistic way forward in harmonising our onboard systems. ? Lots to discuss I guess, ? Regards, //ct ? ? If Peter ? ? ? ? ? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? "Shames, Peter M??????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? (313B)"???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? ??????????????? "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)"???????????? ??????????????????????????????????????? ,?????? ???????????? 13/09/2010 22:58?????????? Jean-Luc Gerner????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????? , Chris??? ??????????????????????????????????????? Taylor ??????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????cc ??????????????????????????????????????? Larry Foore????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????? , CCSDS?? ??????????????????????????????????????? Engineering Steering Group - CESG??? ????????? ??????????????????????????????Exec ??????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Subject ??????????????????????????????????????? Re: Interest in forming a BoF to???? ??????????????????????????????? ????????follow up on SDR standardisation???? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ? I think it is time to take a serious look at this and cannot think of another organization in which we could do it and produce a result that will be meaningful to our civilian space agencies.? Since calling it ?reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms? sounds rather cross-cutting and the product is likely to be a recommended practice or a reference architecture rather than a single discrete protocol spec, I would consider housing it in SEA. ? Regardless of where it winds up it will be essential to include the perspectives, and the experts, of other areas and other working groups. ? Peter ? ? ? On 9/13/10 1:33 PM, "Adrian Hooke" wrote: ? ????? Jean-Luc, Chris, Peter: following lunch-time his talk at the Portsmouth ????? meeting, Larry Foore of NASA-Glenn has been leading an activity over ????? the summer to identify if there is potential interest in CCSDS in ????? forming a BOF to study the possible standardization of ?software ????? defined radios?. I understand from Larry that as an outcome of these ????? discussions it has been proposed to broaden the scope from SDRs to ????? reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms in ????? general. ? ????? There has been considerably US interest in this subject but I ????? understand from Larry that only one person from another Agency (ESA) ????? became engaged over the summer (this may of course be because of the ????? holiday period). We therefore need to decide whether to ?raise a BOF? ????? at the London meeting. If we do, we need to decide to which Area it ????? would be attached. Do any of you have sufficient interest to call such ????? a BOF? If not, we should drop the subject. Please indicate your ????? interest: ? ? ????? Best regards ????? Adrian ? ? ????? From: sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [ ????? mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Fowell ????? Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:28 AM ????? To: sois@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-app@mailman.ccsds.org; ????? sois-subnet@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org ????? Subject: [Sois-wir] Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR ????? standardisation ? ? ????? Dear SOIS members, ? ? ? ????? There is currently a proposal before the CCSDS Engineering Steering ????? Group (CESG) to form a Birds-of-a-Feather group (BoF) looking into the ????? interest in standardising on Software-Defined Radio (SDR) in the Space ????? domain. ? ? ? ????? If you have any interest in participating in such a BoF please could ????? you let me know by the end of 13 July 2010 so I can report this back to ????? the CESG. ? ? ? ????? Regards, ? ????? Stuart D. Fowell BEng MBCS ? ? ? _______________________________________________________ ? Peter Shames Manager - JPL Data Systems Standards Program InterPlanetary Network Directorate Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 91109 USA ? Telephone: +1 818 354-5740,? Fax: +1 818 393-6871 ? Internet:? Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov ________________________________________________________ "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and know the place for the first time" ? T.S. Eliot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100915/7716dfaa/attachment-0001.html From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 15 11:17:03 2010 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Wed Sep 15 10:57:37 2010 Subject: [CESG] RE: Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: <776505.30403.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL>

<6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> <776505.30403.qm@web114604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0A1A@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> ? My own opinion is that, since CCSDS is dealing with cross-support, Actually, the words ?cross-support? do not appear anywhere in the CCSDS charter http://public.ccsds.org/about/charter.aspx : Purposes The purposes of the CCSDS are as follows: 1. to provide a forum whereby interested agencies may exchange technical information relative to the development or application of standards for space-related information technologies; 2. to identify those common elements of space data systems which, if implemented in a standardized way, will result in significant enhancements in the operation of future cooperative space missions, or in the sharing of mission products; 3. to develop through consensus appropriate Recommendations that will guide the development of agency infrastructure so that interoperability is maximized; 4. to facilitate and promote the use of software and hardware developed under the CCSDS program by all participating agencies; 5. to promote the application of the Recommendations within the space mission community; and 6. to maintain cognizance of other international standardization activities that may have direct impact on the design or operation of space mission data systems. Recent attempts to narrow the focus to ?cross support? in fact do a disservice to the intent of the charter, which was much broader. ? The role of a BOF being mostly to write a WG charter, I wonder to what extent a cross-areas SIG would not be more adequate at this stage. We can certainly call it a SIG rather than a BOF, but I think that we need to initially home it in SOIS and to keep its scope relatively locked down. Otherwise it is likely to expand in a vacuum and it will eventually burst. ///adrian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/attachments/20100915/de16b3cf/attachment.htm From chris.taylor at esa.int Wed Sep 15 11:26:52 2010 From: chris.taylor at esa.int (chris.taylor@esa.int) Date: Wed Sep 15 11:12:02 2010 Subject: [CESG] RE: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? In-Reply-To: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> References: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0627@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL>

<6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C09F9@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Message-ID: OK Adrian, all is clear and agreeable. I've already contacted Larry and asked him to prepare an Agenda for a session in London for half a day (Thursday) using existing SOIS rooms, if longer is needed we may need to request an extra room. I have specifically requested that an Agenda point needs to be a justification for X-support and if CCSDS is the appropriate platform for the work. I have no particular feeling on this as of yet, so lets wait and see. On the P&P aspect, I am a little uncomfortable with AFRL being the only participant as they are not a NASA centre? If you mean that AFRL can fund participants from NASA and NASA centres are willing to sign up then we have a much better case for moving forwards. Regardless, we will have a P&P session in London chaired by Stuart's deputy, Peter Mendham (Stuart is out of the country that week on Vacation) Regards, //ct "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" "chris.taylor@esa.int" 15/09/2010 16:30 cc CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec , Larry Foore , "Lyke, James C Civ USAF AFMC AFRL/RVSE" Subject RE: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? Chris: I agree that we should keep the scope focused on defining exactly what we would propose to internationally standardize in association with a software-defined spacecraft radio. Therefore, SOIS appears to be the right initial home for the activity. After we have understood this more narrow application (and whether or not there *is* value in a standard), we can then decide if the work should be expanded or should migrate to another Area (SLS also seems to be a possible candidate). We might also decide that CCSDS isn?t the right home. In order to get to those decisions, we need a much clearer picture of the problem and proposed solution. I have therefore asked Larry Foore to take up your SOIS hosting offer and to work with you to raise the BOF in London. I am also pleased to see the renewed interest in moving forward on the plug-n-play work. We have literally zero NASA standards resources to apply to this problem but I agree that it offers a realistic way forward and I understand from Jim Lyke that the Air Force Research Lab is willing to shoulder some of the burden. Can we assume that ? as Chair of the SOIS PnP BOF ? Stuart will be calling a meeting in London? By the way, the SpaceOps video on CCSDS and DTN just got posted to the NASA public website: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=16351503 ///adrian -----Original Message----- From: chris.taylor@esa.int [mailto:chris.taylor@esa.int] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:09 AM To: Shames, Peter M (313B) Cc: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; Jean-Luc Gerner; Larry Foore Subject: re:Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR standardisation? Dear all,, I haven't replied yet to the initial interest in this topic but I have done a little background digging here and at ESA we would be interested in investigating the original target of SDR.? I have no problem to host the discussion in the SOIS area and would propose an agenda item on the Thursday for which we will free an existing SOIS room. If Peter wants to take on the more ambitious activity of a standardised platform in SEA this is fine by me but this is a very large undertaking and I'm not so sure we are in a position to proceed. What we have been working on at ESA, to a large extent driven by CCSDS SOIS but also as part of our SAVOIR coordination activity with industry,? is the identification of avionics building blocks with well defined interfaces and functions. A good example of this is a mass memory unit complying with SOIS file and packet store services supported by ECSS defined protocols for Milbus, CAN and SpaceWire. We are busy mapping this to the packet utilisation standard (PUS) used over the space link in support of file based operations. As part of our DTN/CFDP implementation activities we will use a prototype mass memory implementation to further verify the setup. After some delays, which have slowed the work in SOIS, we have just secured funding for related activities on the use of electronic data sheets and plug and play protocols, and I would suggest that this offers a more realistic way forward in harmonising our onboard systems. Lots to discuss I guess, Regards, //ct If Peter ???????????? "Shames, Peter M ???????????? (313B)" ???????????? ??????????????? "Hooke, Adrian J (9000)" ??????????????????????????????????????? , ???????????? 13/09/2010 22:58?????????? Jean-Luc Gerner ??????????????????????????????????????? , Chris ??????????????????????????????????????? Taylor ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????cc ??????????????????????????????????????? Larry Foore ??????????????????????????????????????? , CCSDS ??????????????????????????????????????? Engineering Steering Group - CESG ????????? ??????????????????????????????Exec ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Subject ??????????????????????????????????????? Re: Interest in forming a BoF to ??????????????????????????????? ????????follow up on SDR standardisation? I think it is time to take a serious look at this and cannot think of another organization in which we could do it and produce a result that will be meaningful to our civilian space agencies.? Since calling it ?reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms? sounds rather cross-cutting and the product is likely to be a recommended practice or a reference architecture rather than a single discrete protocol spec, I would consider housing it in SEA. Regardless of where it winds up it will be essential to include the perspectives, and the experts, of other areas and other working groups. Peter On 9/13/10 1:33 PM, "Adrian Hooke" wrote: ????? Jean-Luc, Chris, Peter: following lunch-time his talk at the Portsmouth ????? meeting, Larry Foore of NASA-Glenn has been leading an activity over ????? the summer to identify if there is potential interest in CCSDS in ????? forming a BOF to study the possible standardization of ?software ????? defined radios?. I understand from Larry that as an outcome of these ????? discussions it has been proposed to broaden the scope from SDRs to ????? reconfigurable, modular, interoperable communications platforms in ????? general. ????? There has been considerably US interest in this subject but I ????? understand from Larry that only one person from another Agency (ESA) ????? became engaged over the summer (this may of course be because of the ????? holiday period). We therefore need to decide whether to ?raise a BOF? ????? at the London meeting. If we do, we need to decide to which Area it ????? would be attached. Do any of you have sufficient interest to call such ????? a BOF? If not, we should drop the subject. Please indicate your ????? interest: ????? Best regards ????? Adrian ????? From: sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [ ????? mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Fowell ????? Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:28 AM ????? To: sois@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-app@mailman.ccsds.org; ????? sois-subnet@mailman.ccsds.org; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org ????? Subject: [Sois-wir] Interest in forming a BoF to follow up on SDR ????? standardisation ????? Dear SOIS members, ????? There is currently a proposal before the CCSDS Engineering Steering ????? Group (CESG) to form a Birds-of-a-Feather group (BoF) looking into the ????? interest in standardising on Software-Defined Radio (SDR) in the Space ????? domain. ????? If you have any interest in participating in such a BoF please could ????? you let me know by the end of 13 July 2010 so I can report this back to ????? the CESG. ????? Regards, ????? Stuart D. Fowell BEng MBCS _______________________________________________________ Peter Shames Manager - JPL Data Systems Standards Program InterPlanetary Network Directorate Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Telephone: +1 818 354-5740,? Fax: +1 818 393-6871 Internet:? Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov ________________________________________________________ "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and know the place for the first time" T.S. Eliot From adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 15 11:34:37 2010 From: adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov (Hooke, Adrian J (9000)) Date: Wed Sep 15 11:15:07 2010 Subject: [CESG] CESG Virtual Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D12692A7874434DAC51C93B019D4349EF904C0A31@ALTPHYEMBEVSP20.RES.AD.JPL> Use the leader passcode: 8660452 From: Durst, Robert C. [mailto:durst@mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:33 AM To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000) Cc: kimberly.cashin-1@nasa.gov Subject: RE: [CESG] CESG Virtual Meeting Importance: High I'm getting an invalid passcode error for the dial-in. Dialed US - 866-6923582 Passcode - 1086312 -----Original Appointment----- From: Hooke, Adrian J (9000) [mailto:adrian.j.hooke@jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:29 PM To: CESG; Hooke, Adrian J (9000) Cc: erik.jpl@gmail.com Subject: [CESG] CESG Virtual Meeting When: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:30 AM-1:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: Teleconference/WebEx When: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:30 AM-1:00 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: Teleconference/WebEx Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* CCSDS ENgineering Steering GrouPVIRTUAL Meeting15 SEPTEMBER, 2010 11:30 - 13:00 EDT Call-in numbers: US - 866-6923582 Netherlands - 0800-023-1812 UK - 0808-238-6019 Germany - 0800-664-4254 France - 080-563-6110 Japan - 0066-33-132424 Passcode - 1086312 Hello , Kimberly Cashin invites you to attend this online meeting. Topic: CESG Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 Time: 11:30 am, Eastern Time (New York, GMT-04:00) Meeting Number: 999 635 555 Meeting Password: 091510_wrkg* ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://nasa.webex.com/nasa/j.php?ED=137459097&UID=0&PW=NYzRmNDQzZDZk&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. Enter your name and email address. 3. Enter the meeting password: 091510_wrkg* 4. Click "Join Now". 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Peter On 9/15/10 10:25 AM, "Nestor Peccia" wrote: ----- Forwarded by Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA on 15/09/2010 19:14 ----- From: Mario Merri/esoc/ESA To: Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA@ESA Date: 13/09/2010 15:58 Subject: CCSDS MAL updated ________________________________ ----- Forwarded by Mario Merri/esoc/ESA on 13/09/2010 15:58 ----- From: "Sam Cooper" To: Cc: "Roger Thompson" Date: 13/09/2010 12:04 Subject: CCSDS MAL updated ________________________________ Hi Mario, I've made the changes requested by Erik and Peter to the MAL and uploaded it to CWE here: http://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-SMandC/Draft%20Documents/Red%20Books/01%20MAL/521x0b0_CESG_Approval%20with%20updates.doc Many regards, Sam. SciSys UK Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 4373530. Registered Office: Methuen Park, Chippenham, Wiltshire SN14 0GB, UK. Before printing, please think about the environment. ________________________________________________________ Peter Shames CCSDS System Engineering Area Director Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871 Internet: Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov ________________________________________________________ We must recognize the strong and undeniable influence that our language exerts on our ways of thinking and, in fact, delimits the abstract space in which we can formulate - give form to - our thoughts. Niklaus Wirth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, -Erik From: cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Nestor.Peccia@esa.int Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:25 AM To: cesg@mailman.ccsds.org Subject: [CESG] CCSDS MAL updated ----- Forwarded by Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA on 15/09/2010 19:14 ----- From: Mario Merri/esoc/ESA To: Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA@ESA Date: 13/09/2010 15:58 Subject: CCSDS MAL updated ________________________________ ----- Forwarded by Mario Merri/esoc/ESA on 13/09/2010 15:58 ----- From: "Sam Cooper" To: Cc: "Roger Thompson" Date: 13/09/2010 12:04 Subject: CCSDS MAL updated ________________________________ Hi Mario, I've made the changes requested by Erik and Peter to the MAL and uploaded it to CWE here: http://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-SMandC/Draft%20Documents/Red%20Books/01%20MAL/521x0b0_CESG_Approval%20with%20updates.doc Many regards, Sam. SciSys UK Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 4373530. 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CESG-P-2010-09-003 Approval of updated version of proposed new issue o f CCSDS 520.0-G-2\, Mission Operations Services Concept

CESG-P-2010-09-004 Final approval of CCSDS 706.1-G-1\, Motion Imagery and Applications (Green Book\, Issue 1)