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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nestor,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">FYI, the CSSM WG did just such a process Nov – Dec of 2016 (we allowed a month for replies). The results helped to illuminate those who are truly interested/contributing/working
toward standards infusion vs those who do not even maintain cognizance of the WG. I believe this means we are better focused and have less “entropy” to contend with (which tends to be the “contribution” from those who don’t maintain WG cognizance, no matter
how well intended they may be). There were also some confirmations that surprised me a bit and helped me to understand where infusion interest is relatively strong. It was a useful exercise.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">-Erik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> CESG-All [mailto:cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All <cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Cesg-all] Fw: Request to check your WG mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear all,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would suggest the following, if not done yet</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">e-mail your WG list(s) (some WGs have 2 lists, the formal and the info ones) explaining that a maintenance is being carried out and to reply indicating if they wish to remain on the WG list(s)</span>
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">no reply implies no interest, and you might remove her / him from the list</span>
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">who replies asking to remain on the "formal" list, raises a further check</span>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">if she / he has a CWE login account, it means that they have been sponsored by a member / observer agency. An additional check will then be performed by the Secretariat</span>
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">if she / he does not have a CWE login account , the WG chair has to decide either to ask the member to get one or transfer her / him to a "WG info" list.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">who replies asking to remain on the "info" list, stays on it.</span>
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<o:p> </o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I know that this is a tedious process, and CCSDS shall be open to everybody, but we are phasing some internal issues</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ciao</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">nestor</span> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple">----- Forwarded by Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA on 20/04/2017 22:37 -----</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All" <<a href="mailto:cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">27/03/2017 18:04</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Request to chheck your WG mailing list</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear all,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some additional clarifications from the Secretariat</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To join a Working Group, the procedures state that “</span>a person “joins” a WG by subscribing to the mailing list.<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">”.</span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This list is created by the Secretariat, but maintained by the Working Group per the procedures</span> “A minimum requirement for the day-to-day activities of a WG is therefore that it must maintain
an official moderated and archived CCSDS mailing list. Every WG will be provided with its own list capability by the Secretariat"
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is possible that individuals have joined a WG (by the definition above) without actually joining the CWE. They are on separate servers and administered by the WGs.
<b><span style="color:red">The intent of the procedures is that individuals joining a WG will also have a CWE account and an associated sponsoring agency though</span></b>. This is evidenced by the fact that the procedures state that “</span>All members of
the WG will have access to the private Web areas, using a user ID issued by the Secretariat.<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> “ Thus, it seems reasonable to ascertain that<b><span style="color:red"> ‘members’ are those individuals
whom also have CWE access credentials, and as such, have a sponsoring agency approving their membership.
</span></b></span><b><u><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue">There is thus a disconnect in the procedures that we are currently trying to address.</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ciao</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">nestor</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple">----- Forwarded by Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA on 27/03/2017 17:56 -----</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nestor Peccia/esoc/ESA</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All" <<a href="mailto:cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CCSDS Secretariat (<a href="mailto:secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org">secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</a>)"
<<a href="mailto:secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org">secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">24/03/2017 08:12</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Request to chheck your WG mailing list</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear WG Chairs</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CMC, CESG and the Secretariat are discussing an update of the Procedure and Organization YB to improve the text when defining the criteria for joining the Working Group mailing lists, regarding external
requests for individuals with no sponsoring Agency.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Every WG will have its official WG mailing list for normal operation, but you may also, at your discretion, request creation of a "WG Info" mailing list for outreach. This mailing list will be broadly
open to the public.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">When discussing at CESG level, we also address the need for the WG Chairs to carry out a sanity check in their current mailing lists. There are some WGs with more than hundred members. Members with
no sponsoring Agency have to be brought to the attention of the ADs.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">You will find attached exports (produced by the Secretariat) for all members within the current open WGs and BoFs.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We kindly ask that the chairs perform changes to the mailing lists via the web interface.</span>
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<a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin</span></a>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If a WG Chair has lost their Admin Password, or need instructions on how to remove an e-mail account; then please have them contact CCSDS Tech Support at
</span><a href="mailto:techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ciao</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">nestor</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><br>
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